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Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 25.Oct 19:02, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Thanks EPO. I'll look into it a little later tonight, I reckon its a simple logic check around the selected year that's incorrect.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Sunday 25.Oct 18:21, 2020
Say thanks to your work is never too much guys!

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 25.Oct 17:37, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
https://firstcycling.com/dynasty.php?y=2019
and this invisible page: https://firstcycling.com/dynasty.php?overview=1&y=2019
first period is the entire season: https://firstcycling.com/dynasty.php?ID=1990&y=2019
same for all previous seasons. all of this is connected to just one error i guess

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 25.Oct 11:47, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
That would be a display thing. I thought I set an exception for 2020 season. Can you give me an URL so that I can see where you see the error?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 24.Oct 20:46, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
i see that it must be due to this season being in 1 part instead of 2

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 24.Oct 20:43, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
the points from previous seasons are totally messed up now

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 20.Oct 22:39, 2020
Goal : 2nd place for 2020, and then 1st place 2021 :)

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 23.Sep 18:17, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Should be ok now.

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 23.Sep 18:15, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Good point. I just set it past Covid-19. Fix inc.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 23.Sep 16:15, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
the draft was on august 22, so why get points from july 15?

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 23.Sep 15:29, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Everything up to date then. Had a wierd error on the data-parameter for periode II.

and endDate > 2020-07-15

that was supposed to be

and endDate > "2020-07-15"


:)

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 22.Sep 21:38, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
It's an easy fix. Since it's separated here.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 22.Sep 18:57, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
its not enough to win anyway

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 22.Sep 17:48, 2020
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
You don't want your points?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 22.Sep 17:24, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
now their entire season counts...

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 21.Sep 09:30, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Files for updating with periode two for the new riders uploaded. Need to tweek how the points are viewed I guess. Me and Andy are having a day tomorrow at FC HQ fixing a lot of small things, this will be one of em.

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 16.Sep 17:51, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
If last one if for normal Tour-fantasy a fix is just uploaded.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 16.Sep 17:25, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
and i assume its already on your list that stage 16 is counted for part 2 in the team view

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 16.Sep 09:02, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Added to today's list

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 16.Sep 00:36, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
and they still havent

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 29.Aug 19:20, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
the "supplement riders" havent gotten their points

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 28.Aug 13:33, 2020
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Have you also sacked your team personal that was working on that?

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Friday 28.Aug 13:18, 2020
Like Mr Ryan, I was unable to sell my team to a Spanish investor for additional sponsorship cash to secure stagieres for this draft, so FruitnOats management sends its apologies for not taking part in the previous draft.

Good luck everyone for the rest of the season and look forward to bingeing on pro cycling for the next 3 months. Hope everyone is staying well wherever they are dealing with COVID

Cordi3 [Rioja] Thursday 27.Aug 23:33, 2020
Ayuso gone :( With the stagieres draft that wouldn't have happened (unless other goes for him in the 1st round)

I'm gonna riot! >:(
And I'm coming for your boys LosBrolin muahahaha

Cordi3 [Rioja] Saturday 22.Aug 10:55, 2020
It's ok but add the birth year to the result sheet please :)
It's super useful to spot youngsters!

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 21.Aug 21:49, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
@Cordi: at least the fantasy games are sooo much better in the new one. There are just some functionality that needs to be moved over, then the old version will be faded out.. (because of a combination of optimalization towards the database + security).

Cordi3 [Rioja] Friday 21.Aug 20:28, 2020
BTW I only use the old version cause is still superior than the new one.
An updated version that erase the birth year of the result sheet is always a mistake.

Cordi3 [Rioja] Friday 21.Aug 20:25, 2020
Oh, so the stagieres draft fade away :(((((

I don't like it at all, as I've already done my 30 names (yeah) list.
C'mon, there's plenty of talent out here, doesn't matter the lack of races.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 18.Aug 12:56, 2020
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Well nobody use the old version anymore

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 17.Aug 23:48, 2020
No stealing, no renewals - merely signing unattached riders.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 17.Aug 22:31, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
yes i see it is updated on the new FC (but not the old version).
and its only updated on "teams", not "overview"

no stealing in this august 22nd draft, or?

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 17.Aug 21:18, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Files updated.

@EPO: its now one wage periode for 2020.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Sunday 16.Aug 18:40, 2020
Looking forward for this. good names available in the market.. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 16.Aug 18:27, 2020
Nice that I get another nickname to add to the collection :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 16.Aug 14:46, 2020
Sorry all - been soaking up that final bit of summer sun which has descended over Norway for the last week after a cold July. Too bad I punctured earlier this week and is too thick to properly seal a new tubeless tyre myself.

With the perilous state the U23 already is in, and continued cancellations (Avenir, World's etc.), there isnt much point in the stagiares anyway. We postpone them for 2021.

The second draft of the year for teams with available funds/spaces in their squad was communicated well in advance of the first draft for managers to plan/strategize accordingly. The following squads are ineligble due to full squad or maxed out wage budget:
Nathan
Fikerud
Cordi
Troy The Mexican Træeen
Plus nibalies and boris which are just ghost squads this season to be liquiated before 2021

The remaining managers can draft from unattached riders from 19:00 CET onwards on August 22nd. No-shows won't get to make their picks later on - but I will take lists from anyone able to attend.

Cordi3 [Rioja] Sunday 16.Aug 00:48, 2020
Well, as there's no feedback to my late proposal I'll stick to Kjeppen's plan and make my long list of stagieres...

Btw my team is completely broken with the Jakobsen-Groenewegen incident + my Movistar bald couple underperforming :(
This winter I see fireworks by my part at the stealing draft.

Cordi3 [Rioja] Thursday 6.Aug 14:02, 2020
So teams witouth space do not participate in the draft? Stagieres election goes apart from it?
We just have to send the list and you will decide automatically?

I'm afraid there's the possibility that many stagieres are repeated by different teams, so maybe a live draft for stagieres could be good for making quick decisions (I feel lazy to make a long list of desired kids :D)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 31.Jul 10:44, 2020
Hello! Back from first proper vacation without checking in with work for several years - needed after the period of simultaneously homeschooling/working around the clock in spring.

Now that the season is slowly moving into gear again (but who knows for how long), a small summer draft for the eligible teams plus signing of stagiaires is in order. Order for both draft and stagiaires will be standing at end of March reversed.

As for time of draft/signing of stagiaires I suggest we let a few weeks of racing pass first to gage form and also hints on whether the revised calendar is sustainable current Covid-climate. Perhaps we could do the following:

Deadline for submitting list of desired stagiaires via email/message: 19:00 CET on August 22nd
Draft for eliglible teams: 19:00 CET on August 22nd

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Thursday 30.Jul 11:12, 2020
What would be of our lives without you guys! :)
You do a very nice piece of work and we have the chance to enjoy it and profit..
Thanks (mean it)

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 30.Jul 08:51, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
With no transfers that would probably be the easy road. Good thinking.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 29.Jul 16:44, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
FC rank was recently updated. Then it's probably easier to have the entire season as one period and just double the wage deduction.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 27.Jul 13:01, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Yes, everything after the virus break would go into part 2.
Or rather, everything after the last FC rank update, to avoid some races being calculated into both part 1 and part 2, which is difficult to fix afterwards?

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 27.Jul 08:50, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
Will be fixed. There is coming an update rather soon. We need that to work for everything "post" Covid-19?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 26.Jul 16:28, 2020
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
guess its too late for that summer draft, but still have to switch from period 1 to period 2 now

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Saturday 25.Jul 18:40, 2020
Tobias in danger at K92 team after his failure at Swedish TT... getting a 4th title was the main goal and now he needs to delivery strong to remain in this incredible, fancy, sexy team!!

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Wednesday 13.May 13:10, 2020
Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 8.Nov 00:20, 2019
Hello all,

...
- No transfer window in June
- 5 draft picks in June to sign unattached riders for any team not at max team size/budget
- All teams can sign up to three stagiaries in June, no wage deduction for these
- Any rider not riding for a PCT/WT-team at the start of June can be signed as a stagiaire
- Stagiaire draft is done before June-draft of unattached riders for eligible teams

By now or by June 1st it will not be certain races return to the road BUT we can work on that chance the way teams and riders are doing.
Let us keep the light on, my friends! :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Monday 11.May 18:56, 2020
That would be great both! :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 11.May 09:47, 2020
If the season actually recommences in August - I would absolutely be in favor of letting teams draft stagiaries as planned :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Wednesday 6.May 15:47, 2020
Fair enough, ofc, but we can look at this summer draft as a chance to fill our teams with an eye in 2021..
Angry here... :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 5.May 21:46, 2020
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Too much uncertainty about whether there will be races and if so, what races will be arranged or not in late 2020 I think. But would of course loved to have a draft, although at this point we just have to wait and see before we can arrange it or not in my opinion.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 5.May 18:20, 2020
My beloved Admins, will we have our Summer Draft?
I do hope so! :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 10.Jan 15:43, 2020
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Less is more

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 10.Jan 15:33, 2020
Word of advise - I have the first two draft picks and will be posting these at 19:00 (hopefully), so Ritlefant and onwards need to be ready at the stroke of 7.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 10.Jan 15:31, 2020
Need to slim down for the outdoor cycling season - less calories.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 10.Jan 15:02, 2020
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
How come white wine and not res? I’m looking forward to this draft - lot’s of talent in the pool.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Wednesday 8.Jan 13:42, 2020
Bad news for the Partykjeppian household - Partykjeppen Jr is playing in a football cup on Saturday which we have to leave for at 07:00 that morning. Only 2 glasses of wine allowed for Friday draft. On the other hand it means 1,5 bottles is left for the draft Saturday evening :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 6.Jan 10:53, 2020
Morning, all!

Just a reminder that draft is this upcoming Friday and Saturday evening. Between 19:00 - 00:00 CET these nights we will skip draft not made within 10 minutes, although these can be completed later on (though skipped picks can only be made from unattached riders). If you are unable to be present throughout, please supply a list to me (or Troy) so we can act on your behalf. I'm also happy to text/message anyone when their pick is due if wanted.

Given the amount and quality of unattached riders, this draft should be a game changer. I'm very excited and is looking to buy some nice Sicilian white wine to improve my decision making (and propensity to make cheeky steals) over the weekend :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Saturday 4.Jan 10:10, 2020
Probably me.. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 3.Jan 18:38, 2020
If anyone needs me to draft for them at any point I intend to be here the whole time so message me and let me know.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Wednesday 1.Jan 23:39, 2020
Draft order for next weekend:
1  El pistolero
2  FruitnOats
3  Ritlefant
4  The Rockets
5  nibalies
6  sylvainm
7  Second Coming
8  K92-Team Neverland/GF Group
9  Il Piccolo Gregari
10  SERVA LA BARI
11  CT Glory
12  Luxembourg Finest
13  TORA TORA TORA
14  Troy The Trader
15  Rioja
16  JohnJackJoe Racing
17  Green Bullet Cycling
18  Cycling lions
19  JuhaMieto
20  Erythropoietin

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 31.Dec 21:33, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Any new entrants confirmed?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Tuesday 31.Dec 21:28, 2019
Stig/Bendit confirmed as folded.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 31.Dec 17:16, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Missing Bendit and neko now

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 31.Dec 13:34, 2019
22th Winter Fantasy Overall
woah did u missclicked to get here, Remi? :D

fjellda [El pistolero] Tuesday 31.Dec 13:30, 2019
Hope that all good now. Sorry for the last minute. assume riders out of contract released unsless renewed

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 31.Dec 11:12, 2019
Something i thought already too.
Maybe we can start to think about adding 3 to 5 women to our teams in 2021 draft?!

P.S. Not clashing with Ritlefant...Team K looking at european riders... :))

ritlefant [Ritlefant] Monday 30.Dec 21:17, 2019
When will women be available on the teams? Would increase the team spirit for my team with some hot colombian chiquitas around.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 30.Dec 14:48, 2019
So now we're down to the following to make arragements:
Bendit
RItlefant
ElPistolero
Neko

JJJ has promised to post his decision by the end of the day :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Saturday 28.Dec 10:42, 2019
No worries Aragonite, will get these done in the afternoon.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 28.Dec 01:00, 2019
Posted wrong place - ok, or should I do it again?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 28.Dec 00:58, 2019
Released :- Burke, Debusschere, Grellier, P.Leyder, Vermeltfoort, Looij, Ravasi, Riesebeek, Yssaad, Vermeulen, and Tiller.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 27.Dec 22:43, 2019
All posted releases/extensions/renewals have been effectuated. The following teams/managers still have quite an amount of expiring contracts to take care of by the end of Dec 31st:
Second Coming
FruitNOats
Bendit
Aragonite
Ritlefant
Boris
El Pistolero
Josedin
Neko
TheRockets
JJJ

Most of these have posted in the threads/have replied to reminders about this. I'll reach out again tomorrow, though neko, Bendit and El Pistrolero worry me.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 22.Dec 16:44, 2019
Done, my apologies, forgot about years when editing those 3.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Sunday 22.Dec 15:58, 2019
I see my team updated but, still, a small detail to "repair":
Tim Wellens, Nils Eekhoff and João Rodrigues to 2021 and not 2020. :)

Merry Xmas everybody!

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 22.Dec 00:42, 2019
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 17.Dec 09:32, 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for renewing with riders with contracts expiring in 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for increasing wage/extending contract for a set number of riders with contracts expiring in 2020
01.01.20 - 09.01.20 - Trade window
10.01.20 - 11.01.20 - Draft for 2020-season

Just to put it back to the top. JohnJackJjoe Racing will announce all contract moves on 21.12.
Any way to change my team name? :D

So, John? :D :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 22.Dec 00:42, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
We are all waiting for Vino4JJJ Almaty Rockets news

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 20.Dec 13:39, 2019
Any team not on 27 riders after the 10 draft rounds will just continue drafting until they reach the minimum :)

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Friday 20.Dec 11:43, 2019
Is there an undrafted free agent signing period after the January draft for teams under 27 riders?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Thursday 19.Dec 23:51, 2019
The past month I have been paiting walls and ceilings and sanding our staircase in whatever free time work and family affords me. The upshot is this Sisyphean work has enabled me to put in place a plan for dynasty fantasy domination after this meek season.

Apart from this I'm posting to remind people that there's only 12 days left to renew/increase contracts. I'm going to text Bendit, Fjellda and Rockets to make sure they know of this. Anyone in regular contact with neko/boris?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 17.Dec 22:48, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
I can accept that one

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 17.Dec 13:25, 2019
Vino4JJJ Almaty Rockets

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 17.Dec 09:43, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
KazakhJJJ Racing?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 17.Dec 09:32, 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for renewing with riders with contracts expiring in 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for increasing wage/extending contract for a set number of riders with contracts expiring in 2020
01.01.20 - 09.01.20 - Trade window
10.01.20 - 11.01.20 - Draft for 2020-season

Just to put it back to the top. JohnJackJjoe Racing will announce all contract moves on 21.12.
Any way to change my team name? :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 8.Nov 00:24, 2019
The Liquigas/Lampre of dynasty fantasy is suffering the fate of said teams as LSK Cycling is pulling is sponsorship and disbanding his team.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 8.Nov 00:20, 2019
Hello all,

In the summer I was stupid enough to promised MrsKjeppen a new kitchen after Il Lombardia, and sadly she was not inebriated enough to forget this as I was when making said promise. Facilitating that plus a new CEO changing things up at work has meant that dynasty fantasy has taken the backseat in my life for almost two weeks now. It'll never happen again, promise!

Thanks for all your feedback, it's imperative that participating managers make their voices head to replace or refine my madcap ideas.

Here's my revised suggestion for the 2020 season:
- Minimum of 27 riders
- Maximum of 30 riders + 3 stagiaries
- Any rider retiring by the end of 2020 can be released in the draft windon in early June. Wage will be docked until end of May. If the rider is retiring between start of June and end of the season (like Ninja Zubeldia retiring at San Sebastian), the manager is given the option of releasing the rider after end of May or paying wage/getting points for the rest of the season
- 10 draft picks in January window
- No steals after 7th round
- No transfer window in June
- 5 draft picks in June to sign unattached riders for any team not at max team size/budget
- All teams can sign up to three stagiaries in June, no wage deduction for these
- Any rider not riding for a PCT/WT-team at the start of June can be signed as a stagiaire
- Stagiaire draft is done before June-draft of unattached riders for eligible teams

Cordi3 [Rioja] Tuesday 5.Nov 13:29, 2019
I'm reading now the debate between Kjeppen and EPO about the steals... And I think there's a pretty simple solution to this issue. As it follows:

Open steals only allowed in 6 first rounds -> OK
But since round 7 onwards, steals remain allowed but only for riders that were unattached at the start of the draft. And then, people would rate the new signingns fairly.

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Wednesday 30.Oct 07:26, 2019
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
My idea for the summer draft,
- you will be able to release riders
- five draftpickts (or something) to sign freeriders
- if you have maxed out you are able to sign up till three stagiares

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 29.Oct 11:25, 2019
My opinion is the same from Sep.17th:
summer draft to add some promising young riders and/or to replace retired riders with unantached riders, ofc.

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 29.Oct 09:54, 2019
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
There is also a coding aspect to terminations btw. Since the season are split in two, there arent room in the system as of today to alter dates for rider contracts.

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 29.Oct 09:45, 2019
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
We must be able to terminate retired riders in the summer. It's not like their IRL teams are paying a full year.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 28.Oct 22:40, 2019
Agree that a stay for any riders signed under a different regulatory regime is sensible. So if anyone went in hard on Hupert Dupont or someone similar who has or will announce retirement before the start of the Dauphine next year, just post and we'll make arragements.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 28.Oct 22:29, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
It's a bit unfair though, as it couldn't be predicted. Sign someone for 2 years in January 2019, draft/transfer windows suddenly changed from 1/2 year to 1 year apart after shitty summer draft, then maybe someone announces that they retire in March 2020 and you can't kick them during the summer anymore.
The worst is that the rider can't be replaced, and then there's the wages on top of it.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 28.Oct 21:59, 2019
Fair question. Same for retirees and dopers - you are docked the complete season in wages.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 28.Oct 21:10, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Now that there's no summer draft, what happens if there's someone who announces before January that they will retire after Paris-Roubaix? Free to release the rider before the season or stuck with him?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 25.Oct 15:53, 2019
I will release on behalf of people over the weekend 🤗

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 15:02, 2019
Regarding riders release stiil not able to.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 15:01, 2019
Seems right Epo, since there's no rounds limit.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 13:37, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Though not sure if it should be an _extra draft_ or just the possibility to revenge-steal in the 9th round, since unlike last year the 8th round won't be the final round.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 13:29, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
You should have release buttons here: https://firstcycling.com/fcfseasonteams.php?ID=2152&y=2020

Answer to your question should be "yes". Extra draft to either revenge-steal or sign a free agent.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 13:21, 2019
It would be nice to start to have the riders released in the Dynasty Page in order to make a first glance at the market..
Our friend Troy has made it already but missing riders released by the other teams already. Mine included.. :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 13:18, 2019
If you get stealed in the 8th round and you have already made your move you can reply in the next one only to the manager who steal from you, right?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 12:53, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
"As I see it, striking the right balance of number of draft picks and how long it's possible to steal are the remaning points to settle. We could say 10 drafts each, but more than 10 if you haven't reached 27 riders by the end of the 10th round. Steals allowed first 8 rounds."

This is more or less the same idea I had

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 25.Oct 12:44, 2019
I prefer Supreme Leader Kjeppen, but agree there are some kinks to be ironed out,

Still, earlier we gave teams a wide rage of 20 min and 30 max. As it's always better to have the max number of riders, managers must give riders a proper wage not to be pillaged. Idea was that with two draft windows, you had the option to get some replacements in the summer if you lost a lot of riders in January.

This summer draft proved that this system needed a revamp. A lot of managers were already maxed out from January or didn't show up, effectively hampering them. I take that as a clear indication that one main draft in January will do.

With one draft and no chance to replenish in the summer, some streamlining of squad size rules is needed to make the playing field a bit more level. Basing those on the regulations for WT-teams is for me the most obvious thing as the most relevant, objective yardstick but also in the spirit of the game as well - what are we if not second rate Vincent Lavenus? (Obviously speaking for myself here).

As I see it, striking the right balance of number of draft picks and how long it's possible to steal are the remaning points to settle. We could say 10 drafts each, but more than 10 if you haven't reached 27 riders by the end of the 10th round. Steals allowed first 8 rounds.

After the 8th round, there won't be a lot of good riders left unattached where you could sign them at 1 Gadret without the fear of a steal. At the same time, at that point it wouldn't be fair to upend the whole draft if you sat on your Gadrets to make a big steal near the death either.

I've poked Tomasz to have a look, I'm at the point where it's better for someone with a new perspective so make the final adjustments :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 10:38, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Communist Kjepp:
Shouldn't 27 be the real minimum squad size instead? There should be some incentive to try to hold on to your riders. Not just "oh well I'll give this guy a $1 wage and hope for the best, and if not then I have unlimited drafts anyway".

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 24.Oct 22:34, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Noone will be finished after only 6 rounds? My team is pretty solid, and I still booted 6 guys earlier today, and there will be more.
And by the way, the minimum squad size will in reality be 30 due to the unlimited number of drafts, unless you choose to handicap yourself.

The fear of steals forces you to set proper wages. And for each draft round, the free agents have lower market value anyway. (Maybe $7 in round 6 and $4 in round 8.) Allowing steals for a few more rounds ensures that this loophole isn't as big. Being able to sign riders worth $7 at a cost of $1 without any risk isn't great for the game dynamics. $4 versus $1 is already a lot better at least. After ~12 rounds there won't be much value left, so there is some incentive to renew current contracts.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Thursday 24.Oct 22:00, 2019
I agree with some of this. Could one mitigating action be to allow steals until a later round? 8th? Or that after the 6th round, you can only steal from managers who have made a draftin the same round - don’t think it’a fair that people still drafting in the 10th round can steal from managers who were done in round 6 and not around to retribute.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 24.Oct 21:39, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
So basically everyone ends up at 30 riders. Unless they choose not to, which is a bad choice.
After draft round 6 there is no reason to give anyone a wage higher than $1. Pretty low for a rider scoring ~250 pts. Certainly higher pts/wage from that than by keeping someone who gets paid ten times as much. So I fire half of my team instead then. Not so much dynasty anymore. The draft will take several days because it's no longer 8 drafs each, but probably twice as much for many who have released half of their riders and been stolen from.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Thursday 24.Oct 20:38, 2019
I've read through the regulations for WT-teams for 2020:
https://www.uci.org/docs/default-source/rules-and-regulations-right-column/part-ii-road/2-roa-20200101-e-amendments-on-01.01.2020---updated-25.09.19.pdf?sfvrsn=83487f15_12

Squad sizes for WT-teams are minimum 27 and maximum 30 for WT-teams. We will follow this, so the rules will be as follows:

-Minimum squad size is 27
-Maximum squad size is 30
-Managers get unlimited number of drafts in January until budget or squad sized is maxed out or manager is happy and has reached miminum squad size
-Steals only allowed in six first rounds
-Picks from seventh round onwards can only be used to sign unattached riders

All teams get the option to sign three stagiaires for free for the rest of the season from June onwards. As there is no steals, trading or nothing, there is no need to do this in the traditional draft manner;
-All riders not riding for a WT- or PCT-team can be signed, regardless for age
-All managers interested in signing stagiaires send me their preferred rider in a ranked order by June 1st.
-Draft order is standings on June 1st reversed (worst placed team get first pick)
-I carry out the draw manually and post results on the board
-Managers either have to sign a stagiaire to a proper contract or release him by the end of December

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.Oct 12:37, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Already opened for you I think ;) I have taken the freedom I got to kick out Porte from my team

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Wednesday 23.Oct 23:49, 2019
As we're making changes to the squad sizes and reducing the game to one draft window, managers can increase wages/extend contract for 8 riders on non-expiring contracts until 2020 rather than the usual 4. Tomasz should be opening self-release very soon :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 23.Oct 15:58, 2019
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
you can find full-season rider pts here:
https://firstcycling.com/fantasyrank.php
just sort by "fantasy 2020" and scroll down to your team name

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 22.Oct 22:36, 2019
full season points*

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 22.Oct 22:35, 2019
I'll continue the game with please.

But please display full saison on team pages and dynasty page instead of the current half of the season.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 22.Oct 19:31, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
FC President :O

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 22.Oct 14:22, 2019
12th Winter Fantasy Overall
K92-Team Neverland/GF Group ;)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 22.Oct 13:29, 2019
K92-Team Neverland is expecting FC President decision about new team name to make our first Press Release regarding 2020.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 22.Oct 13:26, 2019
Now starts the long desert cross until January...
Like the changes operated to 2020. :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 21.Oct 23:51, 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for renewing with riders with contracts expiring in 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for increasing wage/extending contract for a set number of riders with contracts expiring in 2020
01.01.20 - 09.01.20 - Trade window
10.01.20 - 11.01.20 - Draft for 2020-season

Not long after Guangxi, managers will be able to release riders on an expiring contract themselves (though please post who you release). Any rider on a contract expiring in 2019 not renewed by the end of 31.12.19 will be autoreleased. Please keep in mind that any rider whose contract was ending in 2019 and renewed can't be traded in January (in order to reduce locking in of riders in pre-agreed transfers).

You will also get the chance to increase wage and/or extend contract length to 2021 for a set number of riders by 31.12.19 as well, details to follow soon.

Idea for 2020 is as outlined previously:
Draft in January
Much stricter guidelines on min/max squad sizes
Unlimited number of draft picks until max squad size or max budget is reached
Draft picks post a certain round can only be used for unattached riders
A summer draft every team gets to sign a set number of stagiaires if they'd like (two or three I reckon), but nothing else, no trading, no stealing, no nothing
Stagiaries can be signed freely from all levels below WT/PCT
Stagiaries are free/wage of 0 and the team get to decide whether to sign them to a contract or release them at the end of the season

Some details to be ironed out, but hopefully this will be helpful input for everyone's process of deciding to renew or release riders this fall. Still a bit torn on Narvaez, Rolland and Kuznetsov. The fact that there won't by any gems up for grabs in June (apart from youth) is tilting me more towards renewal.

For anyone not looking to continue in 2020 - let me know as soon as possible.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.Oct 20:01, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
More news coming from Luxembourg Finest today. More riders will leave the team after the season and their contracts have expired.

Alex Kirsch
Alexis Vuillermoz
Emiel Planckaert
Jeremy Lecrocq
Michal Kwiatkowski
Mikel Nieve
Nicola Conci
Sep Vanmarcke
Vasil Kiryienka

Mr.Andyman says it is necessary to decrease current wage expenditures so we can afford an active draft round in January. More news will follow in the future, which will include contract renewals with a few riders.

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 24.Sep 15:19, 2019
From my team, will be released what ever happen now :

- Moscon
- Jones
- Gregaard
- Garcia de Mateos
- Houle
- Clarke
- Banaszek

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 17.Sep 11:29, 2019
I like the idea of a Summer Draft exclusively for stagiares, three maximum and for 2 years.
In January we build the team for the season and in June we add a few promising young riders, maybe with the chance to replace a retired rider (only for unattached riders, ofc).

Team Neverland is having conversations with a strong group regarding a futur partnership.
News to come soon this winter!

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Tuesday 17.Sep 10:53, 2019
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
3 stagiares as in the worldtour would be a great addition to get the summerdraft more interesting!

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 16.Sep 22:40, 2019
Very fair points, Aragonite. I think the summer drafts have great when the majority were into them. This time most people were either maxed out and/or not prescent - meaning not a level playing field when a few of us did some good steals without repercussions.

It's quite the art striking the balance of making this kind of game interactive and action-packed enough, but too cumbersome either. I take this summer window as a hint that one big-assed draft in January plus a few staigaires in the summer might be worth a punt :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Sep 16:45, 2019
One thing that was apparent from the Summer draft, there was a lot of really cheap steals to be had for anyone with a chunk of spare cash. I had intended getting rid of a good few riders, and holding a decent amount of gadrets to take advantage of this. Any changes to the rules obviously decides this. I think the main reason the Summer draft was such a damp squib was the lack of team places and cash available. But if there were a couple of DS's with similar intentions as myself the next Summer draft could get a bit feisty.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 16.Sep 12:09, 2019
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Luxembourg Finest can confirm that Richie Porte has not been offered a new contract and is official free to talk to other teams.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 16.Sep 11:40, 2019
Looks like EPO is headed for back-to-back victories! Nice to see a retirement home actually performing well, as opposed to Trek ;)

I've started thinking about 2020 and a few improvements which should be made. This last draft was clear proof that the summer draft should either be altered or dropped. One idea is everyone getting to sign two stagiaires in the summer, but not trading nor stealing.

If we remove the second draft I think we should institute stricter guidelines for squad sizes at the end of the first - follow the WT-rules for minimum and maximum squad size for the season.

This will merely be bubbling away at the back of my head for the next 1-2 months, but feel free to post any thoughts or suggestions on improvements in general.

As far as the Gregaris go, it's clear that the following riders will be released at the end of the season:
Bazhkou
de Bie
Sammy Dumoulin
Kittel (what a waste of a pick)
Laporte
Nibali

Pondering what to do with Kuznetsov, Narvaez and Rolland.

There will be other changes to the squad as well, I have just agreed to the first transfer of the winter-window #SavioStyle.

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