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Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 20.May 11:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
For me it is those 6 who can win it, although I doubt Pozzovivo and Pinot can. Froome definitively is back in the game and you never know about Astana tactics so Lopez have a small chance also. I fear today only can be disappointing, too big expectations and nothing happens. I hope I am wrong though.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 20.May 09:45, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Andy! Let's add Froome and Lopez to that list, and we're up to 6 guys .... which leaves us to today's stage .... I got such high hopes for this stage that disappointment is at risk :D .... isn't it a bless when two of the biggest favourites, and two of the best climber in the world got time to pick up ...
Today's stage looks like something I would like to watch from the start..... And if we're really lucky, we will see a classic Giro sircus stage ala contador, with favourites spread all over the place ....
A harmless breakaway and no gc fight would be a huge disappointment, and seems extremely unlikely today :))

Musician [Musician] Sunday 20.May 01:09, 2018
Well it looks like Sky finally found a way to smuggle Froome his extra "certified" puffs again....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 23:01, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
And that is top 4? Or has Froome a chance of winning and then who of top 4 not having it?

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 19.May 21:24, 2018
At this point I think we're down to 4 riders who have a real shot at winning this race.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 18:18, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Top 6 today is also top 6 gc now ... not in that order of course .... but it says something about Zoncolan . ..

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 18:10, 2018
And I get the stage win in the managers comp. Perfect. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 18:00, 2018
Todays result really sets up the third week. Going to be a real treat.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 17:29, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis almost caught Aru :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:29, 2018
The steep bit at the end rescued Froome. What a fucking win!

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 17:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But he didn't lose too much time. Is smart to pace themselves on a climb like this.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:23, 2018
George Bennett went 'pop' really early.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:11, 2018
Aru wins the gurning comp. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 17:10, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome is back!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:05, 2018
Froome going well. Pleasantly surprised.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:54, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I hope Froome do well today ... this will not be the same without him ...

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:53, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And now Poels on front :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:49, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome on the tale already ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:47, 2018
Start of a Moto GP. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:44, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Lopez should do well yes, but he wasn't that outstanding on the steepest climbs in Vuelta last year, was better where it was like 7-8%. And not sure about his form either, hasn't looked that good so far.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:44, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall

I usaly got an opinion ... rarely the tight one though, but still ... I got an opinion of who I think will be best in a climb ... but for Zoncolan .... i got nothing . ... although I can agree Pozzovivo .... but if Lopez got legs, he should win because he is together with Landa ( and Bernal maybe ) the best climber in the world .

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:36, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Average of 15%, don't remember the length. No cars on Zoncolan either Tomas ;) I remember Riis on moto behind Contador in 2011.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:31, 2018
It is easier to pick those that will not win. I think the GC guys will let a small group go. Formolo for the win. Pozzo and Lopez to do best of the GC contenders.

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 19.May 16:30, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wasn't that stage like twice as steep? Kind of remember the cars couldnt get up there...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:24, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
For me it is obviously Pozzovivo today. Remember the Trentino 2012 stage where he absolutely smashes everybody in a similar climb, not that long though, but insane steep.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:16, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This climb is hardly for anyone :D ... the good climber with the day wins .... and so far, Yates got the lowest odds for that ... let's see how it goes :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:12, 2018
Surprised so many TV pundits are tipping Yates for this stage. I realise he is in stellar form, but don't think Zoncolan is his type of climb at all. We shall soon find out though. Can't wait. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 15:56, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Zoncolan guys ... Zoncolan..... not every day :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 18.May 21:51, 2018
I'm currently having some time off in the area my family hails from and doesn't look like being "unplugged" and not watching these last few stages have been a big miss.

I have a slight fear everyone will just be waiting for Zoncolan tomorrow and it'll be 30 very exciting minues and nothing else - but on the other hand I hope Sunday's stage will be the exact opposite with people desperate to take time before the ITT having their teams try to ambush others. Like that one stage last year where Movistar almost sunk big Tom when he was badly placed.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 18.May 17:10, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Quick step's nr 32 this season .... WOW

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 20:10, 2018
Might be worth putting something on the Giro Managers league page about this mistake in the scoring. Not everyone will read the comments page.

sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 17.May 19:12, 2018
With a 10x GC multiplier the game would be limited to select the right GC riders.
Getting it down to 3x or evene add similar multiplier for other jerseys might be nice adjustment for the future, I think I never went for less than 7 GC riders in a GT manager

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 17:16, 2018
Bennett hit the turbo switch. What a show of power.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 17:02, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Mohoric vs Betancur?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 16:43, 2018
Shit weather means Tim Wellens. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 16:33, 2018
Absolute downpour with 28k to go. Split in peloton. Looks like it's going to be a scary finish.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:45, 2018
Ruvu: Major changes, like resytling de website, make the rules more friendly to understand...

I don't care if you disagree with me because you don't read the rules, i have the right o be annoye if you like or not.

In the end of the day, it's a big mess.

Tomas
I understand your position and i accept. For me, this discussion is closed.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 14:37, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
I see the problem here for first time GT players at FC big time :( We can't do much more then to lay down and say sorry...

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Regarding 10x. If we decided to change the overall points it would rather be setting it down to 3x, rather then upping it. Since "most" players already in the 4x model tends to use 7-8 out of 9 rider spots for GC-guys within that model - atleast for Giro and Vuelta.

Ruvu [Ruvu] Thursday 17.May 14:29, 2018
Major changes? Re-writing the rules doesn't necessarily mean the rules change... It was meant to make them more clear, describe them more detailed then just the few lines in the 'info & rules'-part at http://firstcycling.com/maninfo.php

Major changes would ofc have been communicated

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:25, 2018
So, it's x4?

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 14:23, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
"Make them better" might be poor word choosing from me. Not "better" as in changing/altering them, just making the plain text better in the way that the reserve system finally got typed down proper and so on.

It's absolutely in your right to disagree, just so thats said.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:17, 2018
EPO
The FC is under major changes, like Tomas said: "We had a total re-write of the whole rules for the manager system in an update not that long ago to make them better. A bit wierd that it went through the censorship."

I accept what the decision the FC make, but i'm free to disagree. It's my opinion.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 17.May 14:11, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
sinal: you have been here since 2014 and it doesnt strike you as a bit odd that its suddenly upped from 4x to 10x ?...

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:10, 2018
I don't care if some people don't read the rules! Sorry K92 but I read the rules, and was x10 and that info make take some decisions.

I accept the x4, but I don't agree with that decision. Sorry

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 13:45, 2018
Seems clear to me, this was always 4x, at least since i'm here. Some problem when working, shit hapens..

Triple J, sinal, i perfectly understand your point but, i guess, the same goes to the opposite as well.. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 13:36, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
http://firstcycling.com/maninfo.php

I agree this is not good, but here you see it is x4. Absolutely no idea why it stood x10 on Giro info, should never been there.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 13:34, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
We had a total re-write of the whole rules for the manager system in an update not that long ago to make them better. A bit wierd that it went through the censorship.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 13:29, 2018
Yes, i didn't change because of that! What a mess.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 17.May 13:26, 2018
That's a pretty big information mess. Managers might have built their teams around x10 and maybe didn't change their riders they would have with only x4 on the rest day...

I just didn't even read the rules this time round^^

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 13:25, 2018
As i said i didn't notice, it was sinal who told when we were talking about Froome's performence in Giro.

I found it important for you to deal with.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 13:16, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Not sure how that got through in the info pages on our last text update :o

But I've just checked and it's this two lines have been in place in team selector and on manager team viewer for GT's always:
"To get points for the overall riders have to stay in position the whole race. You are participating with the riders chosen"

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 12:25, 2018
- The final classification also gives points. Ten times the points of a stage. Points are only awarded if a rider stays for the entire duraction of the race in your team at the same spot!

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 11:46, 2018
In the Giro manager information.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 11:37, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Where is that written Francisco? It is of course 4x.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 17.May 11:36, 2018
* the riders who stays in place (same role) the WHOLE race get 4x points for their placement in the GC

Don't think so.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 11:28, 2018
The final GC points will be 10x instead of the usual 4x?!!
Didn't notice until now, talking with sinal... :(
My fault since i'm a "resident" here... :)
If beting strong in Froome wasn't enough now this... please, someone send him a inhaler... :|

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 16.May 18:57, 2018
It's always a question how world class U23 and Jr riders end up in the pro's, but Mohoric is doing a nice job there.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 16.May 16:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Yeah ... and way more crucial than I thought . .. this opens up bigger gaps than Etna :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 16.May 16:46, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Fantastic finish this!

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 18:10, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
But then again, we said that about GVA in Rio also ...

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 18:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Little hard for him this world's ... but later i' m sure ...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 15.May 17:34, 2018
Give him 10km downhill before the finish and it's gonna be tight battle with Nibs. He got the JR and U23 wins already so yeah, would be cool.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 17:34, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
He is a World Champ specialist, think he already is the only to win both Jr and U23 worlds.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 17:30, 2018
Mohoric. Future World Champ maybe?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 17:08, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
It's all about energy left after such a hard day. But Mohoric is favorite here in a two-men sprint

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 17:04, 2018
Does Denz have a decent spriint finish?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:56, 2018
Great days racing, regardless who wins.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 16:47, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Of course he is with that good nickname. Been very anonymous as pro so far, but this is his day

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:45, 2018
A favourite of yours?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 16:43, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But he will lose to Nico Vinz ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:42, 2018
Mohoric descends like a bullet . :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 15:23, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Back to boring now :D i went out when QS stoped trying, and when I came back, 6 minutes :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:49, 2018
Chaves could lose ten minutes easily now.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:46, 2018
Definitely.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:40, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Game over with gap at 2.30?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 14:29, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Who would have thought today's stage would be the most exhausting one for everyone :D although ... the length and the profile did open up fore some possibilities for fun

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Best stage so far at the Giro without any doubt

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:28, 2018
Time gap between the two groups really is like a piece of elastic. Great stuff.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:14, 2018
Thought today was going to be a breakaway borefest. It's anything but.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 15.May 14:13, 2018
Even said it two times :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:13, 2018
Its obvious to Carlton why Willier are riding, Mareczko is in the Chaves group. What a dope. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Changed my mind now that Quick Step is helping and Wilier also for one very strange reason. He can come back, but still many hours left here so a lot can happen

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 14:01, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Upside down stage . .. weird :D 
Alright guys ... the betting is open ... can Chaves get back ?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 13:54, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
A way more interesting stage than I thought ... and every one else I suppose....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 13:36, 2018
244k today. Not the best day to have a bad one.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 13:26, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
2.15 behind peloton and 155 km to go. With most GC teams at front in peloton it is good bye for him

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 13:14, 2018
Looks even worse with three of the big GC teams at the front of the peloton trying to ride him out of contention.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 12:36, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Doesn't look god for Chaves today, lost contact with peloton already. DNF upcoming?

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 14.May 02:23, 2018
Seems to me like a needless complication: you create an exception rule only for GT rest day where not only reserves can kick in in the middle of a manger but also work in a different way (direct substitution instead of the usual shifting).
That only to cover the few cases where a huge name drop a GT race unannounced (4 years ago Kittel is the only precedent I see named).
That's just my two cents of course, nothing against it in principle

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:08, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Ah .. sorry ... didn't see the question mark there
This is the first GT with reserves so ... better to have a rule for it before the rest day ...

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 21:05, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Reading you a bit quick there ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:03, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Are you sure about that Tomas ?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:02, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Did i ?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:59, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
goon changing his mind? :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 20:57, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I agree ... we cant have this ... it should counts only for the start of the GT...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 20:27, 2018
I can't remember it to be honest. But it would be less problematic surely leaving it as is. Once the race starts the function of the reserves is finished. In the case of Kittel then that is just bad luck.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:20, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Not sure if you remember the Kittel thingy Aragonite - think he jumped of like 60min+ before the window closed for changes. In my opinion the same thing as the reason for us to have the reseveres in the first place. Only reason its not here now, is frankly that I havent thought about it before goon meantioned it earlier today.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 20:18, 2018
Don't really see why a GT should be any different to other races. The reserves I thought were simply there in case any of your team doesn't start the race. Once the race starts the reserves are redundant. If you then select a rider to come in and he climbs off on the rest day then that's just tough imo.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 20:17, 2018
I do like that idea for future GTs with the reserve spots.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:10, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
You are correct goon. And this should be implemented to Le tour, along with another GT-manager tweek I have in mind. But not during a competition.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 20:07, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
For the reserve kicks in on the rest days in GTs

IF a rider abandons on the rest day and the reserves kick in, the reserves can't move all the other guys a step up from where the abondened rider was, because of the stationary gc spot .... the reserves must replace that exact spot .... this is the main difference ... it can't be all that hard to script can it?

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 19:57, 2018
One change on my manager. Debating a couple others.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:55, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Stay in position = GC points for the overall position after the race is finished.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 19:55, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
It is only final GC points where you have to keep the riders in same position. So answer is no.

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 13.May 19:53, 2018
Quick question: the riders that have to stay in position are only the GC guys? Eventually moving Viviani up would not alter his jersey points right?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:44, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
If Team SKY managed to run in Egan Arley Bernal as Tour captain, while Froomie sits at home they would have me cheering for sure.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 13.May 19:41, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
if he will be allowed to ride the Tour, the jury is still out on his doping case

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 19:26, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Well Tomas . ... i just told you that on privat, so you know I do :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:06, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
What you need to think about is whether or not Froomie are planning on turn up to the next stage. Or just do a DNS concentrating on Tour de France.. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:41, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Meaning, i don't have to think about this now ? We work it out to the tour ...

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 18:39, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
That would mean the whole structure behind the scenes would have to change. Code wise, a GT now is like 3 normal stage races, with an alternative GC-setup. This would still be on the start of a "stage race" sort of.

But we cant start altering rules during a race/game.

Should on the other hand be placed high on the idea list before Tour de France hits our calendar.

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 13.May 18:33, 2018
Well an eventual DNS during a GT manager is like a DNF in a normal race. You are able to substitute and lose the GC bonus.
Otherwise we should allow reserves to kick in for any DNF, wich is not a terrible idea but alter the game significantly

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 18:09, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Good point Andy. Would have had to be a stright swap here, not the normal bumping of the whole team. I just said I saw his point :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:08, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
PS. I know I ask for it ... it's not like I lick asses in here :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:07, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
There you go ... a real answer to a real question .. :))

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 18:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But difficult to find good way to solve it. If Froome DNS, I can't put my vice-captains up either because then I lose my x4 points. And difficult for a script to understand that.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:59, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
@goon: didnt I just support you? I remember that Kittel-case as it was last year.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:56, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wow ... the trash you admins must through around about goon on private :D:D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:53, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
goon actually have a good point there regarding that Kittel case. That DNS happened right up before the stage start.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:53, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What ??

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 17:51, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
You can transfer him out if you want :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:46, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Or Giro was it ? 2014 maybe ....

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:43, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Question.... will reserve kick in now ? I got Kittel was it ? Abandoned TdF some years ago on a rest day on my mind :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:08, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froomie going down the lists. It's a little like Lance in 2010 - riding while you know the doping carpets are falling down around you.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 10:15, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Nobody expect the break to go home today .... but today it will :D

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 01:13, 2018
Impressive win by Carapaz today. I didn't expect it mostly because of his lack of experience.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 13.May 00:31, 2018
Yeah the 1-2 days a year he's on form :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 00:20, 2018
Just remembered I had Polanc in my team for the Tour of Croatia, and he finished the race with a second to Modolo on an uphill sprinters stage. So he must have a finishing kick when on form.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 00:15, 2018
Polanc was the best climber in the break, but from what I've seen of him he needs a much stiffer finish than he got today. Perhaps a stage 14 breakaway is your chance to get your eighty Gadret's worth back. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 12.May 22:20, 2018
I must say I think it's been quiet good so far although a Polanc stage win today would have made it better..... saying that he was swinging like a madman a long way from home :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 12.May 22:10, 2018
Very unusual this GT compared with most others. Eight days in and all the big guns are still in the race.

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 11.May 21:37, 2018
You can't tell by the tv immages, but the reason Viviani was that behind is very poor illumination in the tunnel. They used wax torches wich left melted wax on the road. Riders had to slow down and go through very carefully and that almost split the peloton

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 11.May 17:30, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Now we know . .. it's fully possible to beat Viviani in a full speed sprint ... Bennett showes he is slightly faster and this time cool as ice and very smart ... I mean QS was waaaaay behind with 1.7 km to go ... still Bennett stays on Vivianis wheel.... not the worst choice of his life ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 11.May 15:53, 2018
The one strange thing of the Eurovision is the way countries with close borders are allowed to openly cheat. You know the way it goes, 'you give us douze points and we will give you the same'. UK obviously at a huge disadvantage being an island.
I can vaguely remember the Eurovision you recall Francisco. But it was the very early years of the competition and I was in my early teens. By the time I was sixteen the UK was really swinging and a night of 'drugs, and elusive sex,and rock n roll', was much more preferable to a Saturday night in with the parents and pop, and ice cream. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 11.May 09:33, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wow ... impressive team from garaintoofast for the Etna stage ... Carapaz away from top 9 ..... not much room to play the game though ... but still ...
Of course, this was a team most of us had on their plate, i'm sure, but not all with this kind of patience and drop Viviani ... you might win this game in the end here if all stay on their bikes ...

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 11.May 00:27, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
Haha they got place directly. Luckily Netherlands made it too!

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 10.May 23:13, 2018
At this point I still donít know if Portugal got a place in the final...
This was the 2nd semifinal...:D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 10.May 23:09, 2018
There was a time when Eurovision Song Contest were a true happening in the year.
Family reunion in front of TV, papers with the table to follow the veredicts and so on...
Goon, Aragonite and other oldies do you follow me?! :)

That was forgoted during 25/30 years until last year with Portuguese victory. Finally!!! :D
This year itís impossible to donít pay some attention...:)
Not particularly interested about knowing the songs, to be honest I even didnít listen the Portuguese song completely but itís nice to have this here...:)

P.S Have you notice the taller brunette? Itís our woman in NCIS:LOs Angeles...
Wait! Australia in Eurovision?... :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 10.May 20:01, 2018
I didn't exactly expect Yates in Pink after today's stage, however for my manger I'll happily take it. I thought he'd have a shot at the one the puncheur stages and thought he might be able to do well in this GT just because of the form he'd been showing this year. Right now the combo of him and Chaves seems to be a really good 1-2 punch.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 17:54, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Well, that was not my plan ... Yates in pink after Etna was way off my mind pre race .... of course, when he did his TT of his life on stage 1, there was always a chance for that to happen, and I thought it maybe would on one of those puncheur stages, but still not after today ... that was way over my expectations ... I had Pinot, Dumoulin or Froome in pink after Etna pre race
The question that pops up now is, can he really stay THIS strong throughout after being top shaped since Paris Nice ?? That would be truly amazing.... not for my manager game though :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:37, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
It work in norwegian anyway :))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:37, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Let's hope for no break today :D
Got it ? :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:35, 2018
Crazy place to live......................bottom of a volcano.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:29, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Now Stig Kristiansen guessed right :D even though he is not in the box today :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:16, 2018
Azerbaijan douze points. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 16:11, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Not a serious competition until the official Tour d'Azerbaijan song wins

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 10.May 16:10, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
the lyrics of norway's song have no substance whatsoever.. and then you have the other bookies' favorite from israel, a song full of chicken noises!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:04, 2018
Who doesn't? Highlight of the year. :)

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 10.May 15:54, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
From what I have been able to collect of info, Atlassassin watches Eurovision live every year ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:48, 2018
He said he missed watching it live last year. Probably just as well, his heart may not of been able to take it. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 15:46, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
He has probably paid the riders to get his Polanc win

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:44, 2018
Assassin got inside info on this?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 15:40, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Chaves on Mount Polanc? Hard to agree with that.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:37, 2018
Chaves currently 5/1 to win this stage.
Which incidently is the same price as Norway to win the Eurovision song contest. Bet you guys have been singing along to this one for weeks now. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 15:04, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Yes .... i was a little surprised myself when Flecha did his reconnaissance climb earlyer ... the profile looks different as well ... alot more fun :D narrow roads and some steep parts

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 14:41, 2018
According to Brian Smith on British Eurosport the wind will play no part whatsoever as most of the climb on this side of Etna is forested. He does normally talk a lot of sense too, unlike some of the others. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 14:31, 2018
So surprised that they have let the little smiler get away in this break. Chaves doesn't seem to be working either, leaving that to Haig.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 11:05, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I think he will have some problems hanging on all the way here ... thats always his problem ... the distance .... like in the TTs.... but IF he manage, he also got a pretty desent sprint so ... and doesn't the jersey also give 15% extra power :D ( Voeckler TdF 2011 :D )

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 10.May 10:36, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
headwind eh. that gives rohan a decent chance to hang on. could still lose the pink on bonus seconds though

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 09:22, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Etna today .... 30 km 5-6% ish isn't it .... I see Axelgaard have TD on the top of his favourite list ... i gotta say i was a little surprised about that ... I was expecting to see Pinot there considering his strong performances in Trentino .... seems like a safe bet since we really don't know how TD climbs this season, and Lopez and Froome seems to have some problems .... but the headwind, which increases the chances for a small favourite group sprint, plays a huge part of the prediction today ....... still i have Pinot slightly ahead of most... the head wind is good for Froome also I will say ... his current form seems to get alot of problems today if the conditions were better for some offensive riding.... I guess we can say the same thing about Lopez, although he could need to win some back :D
Well, anyway ... let's see who's loosing the Giro today :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 08:36, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Becaus of the crash that hooked up Pozzovivo and Viviani ? ... well, anyway... we will never get answers to our little sprint discussion yesterday :D ... too bad, i was a little curious about that :D ... an extra spice to it ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 23:08, 2018
All the strong sprinters were burnt off well before the finish.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:50, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Schachmann is so strong at this moment. And he has won mountain stage in Aosta before so maybe he will do like Jungels did in 2016 and climb very well in the race

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Eeeeh.... Pozzovivo 9th :D:D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:37, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
There my Lulu bet is worth zero. Lopez and his crashes...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:30, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
We have a co commentator... Stig Kristiansen ... former national team chief ... he knows what he is talking about, no question there ... but I gotta laugh . .. if he sees a Sunweb in the back or in the front or what ever ... it's always a Laurens Ten Dam guess :D .... I think he just looooove to say that name :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pozzovivo caught back of course, he is coming back, but costing some energy

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:26, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Schachmann crashed again, but 10 km earlier today if that is any consolation

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:26, 2018
Yea, think he was hurt more than he is letting on when he pranged his bike before the ITT.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:22, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome need to do something soon, tomorrow can be decisive according to hobby meteorologist Pozzovivo. With same legs as yesterday he gonna lose the race at Etna.

I see Lotto have faith in Wellens today also, but not sure if this is a finish for him.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:16, 2018
Froome has a big toot, then there is only one winner :) And justifies my 150(do also have Viviani at 125).

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:14, 2018
But I do in Fantasy game. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:13, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Or to go with you a little bit here Arago ... Viviani SHOCK and justifies my 125 ranking of him big time :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:12, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But I don't got Bilbao on my team here ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:02, 2018
Or Bilbao? It is a wide open stage, think the favourite was Battaglin @ 8/1.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 16:58, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
No go at Lulu attack?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 16:54, 2018
I have a vision of Mohoric soloing down the last descent in that unique position of his, and taking the win up the final hill. ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I back him up with a classic Mohoric attack :D .... or even a sprint ...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Goncalves is my bet for this one :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 16:16, 2018
Opinions goon, that is what makes it interesting. Be a bit dull if we all had the same ones. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:06, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Those 100 meters is crucial by the way .. that's where the pack splits up, and thats when you loose the wheel in front of you ... ... if it's just those 100 meters and flat, they mean nothing ... but in the midle of a climb,they're crusial ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 15:59, 2018
Sam Bennett did finish forty something yesterday, but was also one of the four who broke away with Wellens. He went pop half way up the steepest part with less than a kilometre to go. By far the best climbing performance I have seen from him before.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 15:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
So Modolo then ... i agree him ... not the others here ... not even Bennett with his 40 something yesterday...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 15:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
With 1 km togo ... half of it descending ? ... and upwards again towards the finishline . .. well, if a sprinter manage to win that, i upgrade him to a classics sprinter :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 15:18, 2018
The 12% is only approx. 100 metres long. Sam Bennetts performance yesterday would have to give him a chance today imo. Modolo on a good day might also be able to handle it.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 14:55, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pretty climby last half though ... and the 1.2 km last climb got a max gradient of 12% ... 6% average with 1 km togo ... no sprinter survives that ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 14:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
I can agree that the finish today is not that hard, but still Kuba! Haha

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 14:03, 2018
Carlton says today's finish is not as hard as yesterdays, and Mareczko could be involved in the finish. So get your money on boys. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 18:56, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Markup need like an angry poodle :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 8.May 18:38, 2018
Thought we were going to be in for a real treat when UAE started ripping it up with 102km to go. Perhaps after achieving exactly nothing today, they may have another go tomorrow, only this time persist with the effort. Can only hope. #excitingracing :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 18:36, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pozzovivo 9th today .... hereby announced as all time most reliable rider :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 8.May 17:39, 2018
Zeits splits the favourite pack. Let's see who's been caught up.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 8.May 15:50, 2018
Andrea Guardini DNF. The moment they leave asia :D :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 09:43, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Goncalves in Pink after today ? He needs to win plus a 3 sec gap to Dennis... not impossible.... even though I think it would be good for TD to pick up some bonus seconds on a stage like this, it would be weird if they will go back to that responsibility... sunweb were pretty satisfied with letting that go the other day :D .... we'll see what happens ... I got Wellens and Yates at my table becaus Ulissi will have to nurturing Aru today :D .... if not, Ulissi looks like a good bet ...

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 7.May 23:08, 2018
Hi Coolietje - apologies, weíll work on amending the text for GTs with an extra rest days, like this. Sorry, and hope you still derive enough pleasure to have a go again for further GTs where youíll be at a totally level playing field.

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 7.May 22:51, 2018
I don't have precise info about Ciccone, but probably was one of the guys who punctured in the final km and couldn't come back (the same happened to Sabatini who wasn't there for Viviani)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 7.May 22:48, 2018
I asked this question Coolietje earlier on this thread. Fifth post it was. Bit of a piss off for you seeing it now, I know. But worth remembering for future GT's that any early rest day does not count in the manager game.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 22:25, 2018
Sigh... maybe a good idea to clarify that next time (it says at the two restdays altough there are three this giro and it was not clear for me the first wouldnít count), cause now i can forget a good result!

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Monday 7.May 21:41, 2018
We don't change at this rest day, we change at the other 2. The link to change will be available at some point at the weekend.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 21:36, 2018
I thought we could change at the restdays (so every monday), i would like to put some punchers in... i tried but it doesnít work...

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Monday 7.May 18:09, 2018
You can change on the next race day. You will be able to make the changes closer to then.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 17:51, 2018
How can i change my team?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 7.May 09:07, 2018
I really only watched the last 15 ks yesterday and missed that. Was he involved in a mishap?

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 7.May 02:16, 2018
Ciccone losing 5 min and officially out from any top 10/white jersey ambition

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Sunday 6.May 21:48, 2018
Anything but Vivianiís surefire sprint wins too uncertain to drop a GC-guy for me :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 6.May 21:39, 2018
Ulissi was close to be part of my team, there were 5 to 6 names to Rohan's place.
For me, he should be the most obvious and not Dennis, Wellens, José or Sanchez. My decision to not bet on him was Aru's presence here, i want to believe Diego will be essential to suport Fabio.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 6.May 21:36, 2018
If the Giro is looking to do starts in diplomatic nightmares, they should start from the Movistar team bus next year :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Sunday 6.May 21:32, 2018
Next handful of stages have a whiff of Ulissi if heís come to play - still the rider in the bunch with most stage wins here.

Also - Ben Hermans foregoing a certain 9th in order to stage hunt and KOM, or just crap form?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 21:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
We got some good names for a finish like this ... Henao should be mention among top 3 favourites in this field, but that won't happen ... I hope for a offensive by Pinot ... you know, to test the field and legs ...otherwice I guess Wellens slides up as the man to beat on Tuesday, Goncalves is on a monster form these days ... of the obvious GC guys i guess Woods maybe, Yates/Chaves even TD.... maybe a smart move by him picking up some bonus seconds on a stage like this ... we'll see :))

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 6.May 20:45, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
tomorrow is the "rest day" where they move the race from israel to italy. (saudi arabia in 2020?) but the lumpy stage 4 will hopefully be interesting to watch

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 6.May 20:40, 2018
Tomorrow's stage looks like one for whatever puncheurs happen to be in this race.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 6.May 17:52, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
That's what Tomas meant. Not DQ from race, but declassified today and a fine of course.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 6.May 17:47, 2018
Probably not DQ, but regulated and a fine would make sense.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 16:53, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And Dennis manage to keep the jersey for the first time :))

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 16:51, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Maybe not since he still couldn't win .... but dangerous riding should be punished

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 6.May 16:50, 2018
Beat me to it Tomas. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 6.May 16:49, 2018
Bennett must be close to a DQ?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 6.May 16:48, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wonder how long they will take to decide a stage DSQ for Sam Bennett.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 6.May 14:43, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
also ass: pls find out the bday of marko polanc. i should have the season fantasy team with highest average age, but with no input he is calculated as 2018 years old as if he is god's son

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 6.May 14:40, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Maybe he has texted him already? :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 14:30, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Congratz to Kreutziger and Ventoso also .... wow ... 6th of May... big cycling birthday day :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 14:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What the hell Assassin ...
You pay 80 for Polanc, but doesn't bother to congratulate him on his birthday?? :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 09:15, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I agree everything except Campenaerts .... I think he was in the mix for the intermediate sprint...at least he was up there for some reason i only can believe was the pink jersey ... He also speak wearing pink for a couple of days as one of his goals for this Giro

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 6.May 02:56, 2018
The Dennis in pink affair was an agreement in the peloton I think. Too perfect, let the breakaway just sprint for the KOM, than take them back and Dennis beating Viviani in a sprint without neither Campanerts or Doumulin contesting.
Probably BMC was the team more willing to invest energy in controlling the race to keep it until Etna

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 5.May 19:56, 2018
That's the entire reason I have Dennis on my team. Granted at 75%, but still there. I've also got Vivianni at 100% and truthfully haven't decided on rather I'm keeping him for the entire race or swapping him out later as there seems to be a few sprint stages all the way through this year's Giro. Dennis is on my team strictly for the opening ITT and the hope of pink for a day or two. He's got a good shot at being in it at the end of tomorrow as well.
I'm of the opinion that Vivianni let Dennis get those time bonuses so he could get the pink.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 5.May 17:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Quick step's 28th win this season :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 5.May 15:41, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
:O :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 5.May 15:40, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis in Pink ... couldn't do it yesterday, so why not beat Viviani in a sprint ... nicely done .... even though I think Viviani was a nice guy :D

BartVelo [BartVelo] Friday 4.May 20:09, 2018
It depends on the sprint teams tomorrow. Sunweb won't have a problem to let a group without GC contenders go and won't chase them. So it will be up to the Wolfpack I guess if they want Viviani to win and to keep Dumoulin in pink.

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 4.May 20:00, 2018
Dumoulin already making more difference than I thought. Considering the manager this early jersey might be worth a lot of points, it's possible for him to keep it until Zoncolan

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 19:59, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Like we all did i guess ... i even put him on 100 to have a big spot for some week 2 guys .. same strategi with Viviani on 125 ... it doesn't feel like the best choice right now i must admit :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 4.May 19:35, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
I snagged Rohan just to get him in pink from day 1 ..

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 19:18, 2018
Dennis had me worried - however Tom D making sure no jersey points lost by omitting Boring Rohan :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 15:20, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
If you wonder who won GTs and like an overview over the last 19 winners, from vuelta 2011, you go into Adam Hansens profile and push grand tours :D ... there you got it on one plate :D

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 14:12, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
:D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 4.May 14:06, 2018
Carlton has fooled me. TV now on mute.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 13:40, 2018
Vai Formolo!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 4.May 13:36, 2018
Won already. No Carlton Kirby in the commentators box.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 4.May 13:15, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
It's kind of problematic closing it also - since we have people that have seen our deadline @13:50 and might come in now to change their team. Deadline changed to 13:30, and a new topline on the site in place.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 4.May 12:56, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
rohan dennis starts at 13:31 norwegian time

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 12:55, 2018
Someone didn't know the conversion from IDT ;)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 12:54, 2018
Giro has started. Who chose the closing time? :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 4.May 12:54, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
the race has started. manager closing time off by 1 hour...

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 12:22, 2018
That's it - recon-crash Froome out from #IlPiccoloPartykjepps

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 09:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What I like about Pinot ... besides his offensive ways, is that he is so good learning things, and improve things he is terrible at ... like his descending.. his early TT's, and now he got this combination issue ... let's see if he improved that as well . .. I think he has :))

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 09:41, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pinot by the way ... will be very interesting to see him today ... we all know he is incapable of climb well and TT well at the same time ... and as you said Kjepp, it IS time for Pinot to win something huge ... an extra careful eye on pinot today :))

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 08:50, 2018
No - lets dub it a "transfer day" rather than rest day #MoneyGrabbingExercise

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 08:06, 2018
No trade on the first rest day or?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 00:33, 2018
I will be putting my money alongside my big gob - I actually now is the time for mr.Pinot to win his first GT!

As I expect/hope the weight of Froome's travails will make him either crack or crash out, biggest enigma for me manager-wise is Esteban Chaves.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 3.May 22:59, 2018
Velogames team done!

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 3.May 21:40, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This is by far the quickest GT game I've ever sat ... the team I got right now is the same I sat 10 days ago or something like that ... before studying parcours or read prevews ... actually, I have barely done any of those things this time ... This team made itself ... let's see how that turns out :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 3.May 21:17, 2018
As Epo said it's about 5 minutes to build a team., like in cobblestone.be

Here, it's where really matters and it takes HOURS OR DAYS to some races like this one.

Dennis? Chavez? Wellens? Leon? G. Bennet? Great Elia? Formolo? Ulissi?... :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 3.May 21:13, 2018
I'll be there

Nathan [CT Glory] Thursday 3.May 17:31, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
League Code: 434449312 :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 3.May 17:08, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
i took 5 mins to create a Velogames team last night when FC was down. if there are more of us then we could create a private league

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 2.May 19:37, 2018
For the sprinter is one of the worst field ever to the Giro: Viviani, Bennett, Van Poppel, Modolo, Nizzolo and Marezcko. Only Viviani with real support.
I think that we may see more breakaway than usual succeding

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 2.May 14:26, 2018
But not reserves, unless one of your first choice nine DNS.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 2.May 14:16, 2018
It does.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 2.May 05:41, 2018
I've also done the Froomeless GT team to great disaster. Of course my Tour team last summer was a total disaster due to Valverde's injury on stage one. At the moment I have Froome as a reserve rider. LOL
On the other hand I keep toying with the idea of Viviani in one of my top 3 spots, but then remember that you get overall points at the end for where guys finish if you haven't swapped them out. Does that count all the way through the field?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 22:12, 2018
All the cool kids with Geniez, Carapaz and Grosssssssssschartner

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 1.May 21:54, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
All the cool kids run with Viviani @150.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 21:47, 2018
I'm considering going Froome-less like I've done in a couple of GTs before, to disastrous effect.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.May 21:44, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Talking about Sky, their Giro-captain has never finished the Giro. I know Uran has podium as Sky-rider, but then Wiggo was the captain and Uran even had to wait on Wiggo at one stage. Can Froome break that trend this year?

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 1.May 21:15, 2018
I'm hoping Astana and Michelton-Scott can find a way to break Sky. In 2015 Movistar/Tinkoff teams proved it could be done, but it takes a collaborative effort.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 20:35, 2018
To me it looks like the reduction in team-size to 8 men means teams with any GC ambition become even more singular in bringing mountain domestiques rather than devoting 2-3 riders for possible sprint podiums.

Viviani, Bennett and Danny van Poppel only of the top 15 sprinters to show up, and Viviani the only with proper support - he should mop up victories here and pass Ulissi as the competing rider with most stage wins by the end.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 19:43, 2018
Climbs look bit steadier than usual, tilting it more towards the stronger TTers. On the other hand, Lopez has an absolute belter of a team, so here's hoping Astana can give a similar kind of team performance as in 2015 and catch Sky and Sunweb out on medium mountain stages like the 15th. Michelton-Scott also have a knack for trying more long-range stuff like that too.

Sunweb somewhat stronger mountain domestique-wise than last year - but Ten Dam/Ooomen/Vervaeke ain't no match for the collective machines of Sky, Astana and Michelton-Scott.

In the youth/approaching full-scale breakout department I'll be looking closely at the performances of Vendrame, Mohoric, Ciccone, Neilants, Haig, Carapaz, Schachmann, O'Connor, Bouwman, Oomen, Eg and Pedersen.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 19:04, 2018
Give that man a coconut ! :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 18:32, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome
Lopez
Pinot
Chaves
Dumoulin
Viviani
Dennis
Woods
Aru
Bennett
Pozzo
Yates and LLS as 13th guy ... I bet I'm spot on :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 18:21, 2018
Just gone through the parcours. Looks like it will be won by how you split up your team, how many sprinters(if any) etc. I'm also looking at about a dozen on first thoughts anyway, and I dare bet we have most of the same riders in common. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 18:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Is it just me, or is this a relatively easy start list to work with .... I got 12 crucial names only ... maybe 13 ... Louis Leon has been great :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 16:07, 2018
Thanks goon.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 16:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Correct... after 9 stages first chance for recovery changes :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 15:57, 2018
Currently going through the parcours. Presumably the first Monday, May 7th does not count as a rest day for the manager game?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 15:13, 2018
Please God don't let Carlton Kirby be one of British Eurosports commentators for the Giro. If he is I will be watching with the TV on mute. I have had enough of his inane tips and tasty side bets. And all his jokes and innuendos repeated for the nth time.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.May 02:00, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Since he never wins in Europe it should almost be no return at that.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 01:29, 2018
I've put money on Kuba not winning a stage. Not a huge stake, but a 28% return is what a low-cost index fund would take about 4 years to return in good economic currents.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 23.Apr 23:16, 2018
Giro giro giro! Just a word - we'll be doing our special fantasy GT-competition for this for those who want something more dynamic than just the main game:
http://firstcycling.com/forathread.php?f=6197

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