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goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Sep 20:51, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
It was stage 19 wasn't it Yates :D ... I am just saying :D

sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 29.May 00:30, 2018
Giro is alway something unique. I'm obviously biased but the variety of the parcours make it the best GT race in term of entertaining. And this year was only an average one (very few breakaway wins, sprint more predictable than usual, only GC really unpredictable).

Anyway 13th place in this manager is my best result ever in a GT, really happy about it!

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 28.May 13:02, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Well, i always got this high expectations for the giro, and its crazyness, but this time I got a little " TdF " feeling about it ... I missed that typical circus with big names all over the place which only happens in the Giro . ... although, we had Chaves in the breakaway on the Etna stage, and Froome did something we'll never forget ... so all in all, a great giro :))

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 28.May 12:41, 2018
More than happy about back to back TOP-10's here. + Overall we had a pretty crazy GT - can't really remember any boring moments from the past 3 weeks

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Monday 28.May 10:27, 2018
You're not alone! :)

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 28.May 08:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
The Giro is over, and this emtyness inside occurs ..... WOW .... I need help :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 27.May 23:07, 2018
Well, time to close the window today.
Tomorrow morning i'll see if the table stays similar... hope so...:)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 22:59, 2018
hehe, would love to be able to but only the top dog can do that.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 22:54, 2018
Please tell me the last thing you have to do Assassin is add the Froome points. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 22:53, 2018
I have a feeling it could be tomorrow, not sure if we will see Tomas tonight

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 22:51, 2018
Not fully done yet

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 27.May 22:51, 2018
goon, i had that, regarding Tom, in mind to add at my post. Why does he claim about FDJ behaviour?
He he felted 2alone2 in that group why didn't he tried to get rid of them in the penultimate climb and chase Froome by his own. If he didn't it's because he didn't felt strong enough to do so (wich is understandable, btw). No need to get any excuse, simply admit it.
We all know he was agaisn't Froome's presence and his opinion is valid but the fact is the Brit was amazing.
P.S. Thanks Aragonite :) Assassin, luckly for you not in your Giro's team... :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 27.May 22:51, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
is it correct though? tomas offline and froome is listed with 200 gc pts, not 400

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 22:48, 2018
Finished 46th in the Giro managers comp. Pretty satisfied as it is the highest position I had in the comp. at any stage, and exactly one hundred started with Yates, and I didn't.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 22:40, 2018
He, and his DS obviously thought that what they were sacrificing on the descents would be made up with the five working together(although only three chose to work) on the false flats. Wrongly.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 22:38, 2018
For those who have not been a fan of Bonifazio's sprinting technique, the jury haven't either, demoted him to 21st today. So my Polanc gets a top 10 on a sprint stage. Not what I was thinking of but i'll take it :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 27.May 22:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What Froome did on stage 19 was impossible... I still can't believe it worked ... and i can't see why Tom Dum was so eager to hold that group together for so long... "waiting" for Reichenbach, descending with pinot :D ... that's what cost him the win in my opinion ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 22:09, 2018
Very eloquent Francisco. Agree entirely.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 27.May 21:38, 2018
As said before, never was big fan of him but the way he managed to turn things on his side was incredible. Chapeau!
I think Chris and his team were very smart. They did an amazing piece of work at that stage, pushing hard to get distanced and then it was all about descending great and rolling better than the others. At the climbs i guess all he was concerned were to get the right pace to not lose ground to chasers.
None can say he was an "alien" climbing nor get too much suspicious... He simply pushed hard when nobody could believe that move would be so important and when they realized he would win they couldn't find a way to catch him because he was simply great descending and rolling.
He was very smart and courageous in my opinion and that legitimates his pink jersey, i think.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 21:35, 2018
Andy Schleck in the 2011 Tour on the stage with the Galibier finish, that was an epic one too although unfortunately he couldn't take yellow in Paris.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 21:26, 2018
I said when he set off on his 80k solo effort. Win the race and it would be one of the great GT rides. Win it and end up in pink it would be the greatest GT ride, in my memory anyway. I stand by that, and it was a real treat to be able to watch it.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 21:11, 2018
It's been usually okish to me in the past. But as for the actual race, one of the best GT's i've ever seen. Earned a lot more respect for Froome after Stage 19 heroics. Whether you like him or not, I don't think you can say it wasn't entertaining what he did.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 27.May 21:01, 2018
Love this race, but it doesn't seem to love me back. Kicked off last year without Big Tom, and then again this year without The Bury Black Pudding. Which basically left me knackered from Day 1, both years. Teachers comment - Must do better. :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 27.May 20:38, 2018
Meanwhile, we can all make some math to guess where we'll be... :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 27.May 20:24, 2018
Just to let you all know, Giro Manager will be closed when Tomas comes online as final X4 can be done by him only. The tension to see ur final spot continues :D

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 27.May 07:44, 2018
Unfortunately Froome has managed to make me respect Lance as a racer more than I did before. Never thought I'd see the day anyone could do that.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 17:35, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
My life is over ..... I go lay down now ....

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 26.May 17:11, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
you are a genius, goon

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 16:53, 2018
Dennis finally gone 'pop'.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 16:26, 2018
Today had to be an anti-climax after yesterday.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 15:32, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Ah .. yes ... saw it now... a little more precise there :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 15:26, 2018
It depends on whether you are including the false flats as part of the descent or not. If you are then he does just about take more time on the descents than the ascents.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Saturday 26.May 15:25, 2018
Yeah, it was posted down there already.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 15:23, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome took 40 second from when he attacked to the top of Finestre, then he took a minute descending, and another minute up to Sestriere, then 40 more seconds descending .... status quo in the finish climb ...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Saturday 26.May 15:02, 2018
Aragonite indeed, because of by only watching the stage I was also under the impression that he gained shit loads of time on descends - went visibly so much faster than the group behind. But I dont know about those calculations, maybe some triggered anti-doping warrior made them :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 15:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Yates yesterday and Pinot today showes how extremely edgie this sport is . .. it can't be healthy ....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 14:54, 2018
Pinot going to DNF?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 26.May 14:49, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
This Giro never stop to surprise

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 14:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I was waiting for that one :D Well done

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 26.May 14:42, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
Floyd Landis

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 14:38, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This is a good sign ... this might be the cleanest Giro ever ...
Ooops ... sorry EPO :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 14:34, 2018
Interesting those splits Los Brolin. I should know by now not to take everything said on Eurosport to be the gospel truth.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Saturday 26.May 14:30, 2018
Lights out for good :o

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 26.May 14:29, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pinot :O
Not too good at ascending today

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 26.May 14:29, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pinot.. Lopez vs Carapaz for podium and maglia bianca.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 14:27, 2018
I knew Pinot wasn't too hot at descending ,and did post yesterday if having Pinot in the chase group would result in them losing time. Didn't realise that Reichenbach was worse though.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 26.May 14:19, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dumoulin could easily have matched the descents, but he wanted Pinot/Reichenbach to work on the false flat, so he had to slow down and lose minutes to Froome. Easy to say now it was a mistake by Dumoulin, but I understand why he did it. Mohoric is the best, no doubt for me even though Denz has been good this Giro.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 14:15, 2018
And maybe Nibali. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 14:15, 2018
Froome gained more time on the descents than the ascents yesterday, Only Mohoric better at descending imo.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 13:28, 2018
Bit far too go. You will have to just send me some of the produce. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 26.May 13:22, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Inauguration when you come next weekend at season fantasy drafting

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 26.May 13:13, 2018
@ Tomas. Do you know which popcorn machine you will be getting?

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 26.May 10:54, 2018
What a fantastic stage.
I could bet Froome follows FC, I asked for courage for those with time to cut and what did Chris?.. :)
Never was big fan (how could I, watching him winning from Pistolero?..) but I must say this was one of the best moves I ever saw.
Agree with our Italian friend, sker, and his lecture..:)
Goon, Rohan is riding great, all I have to say...:)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 26.May 09:50, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Well, Rohan Dennis couldn't quit hold it yesterday... but i gotta say, this stage was waaaaaayyyy way more crucial than i in my wildest dreams could imagine... never seen anything even close to this ...

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 23:45, 2018
Not enough imo

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 23:42, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
I like the comment of Dumoulin about Reichenbach. Descending like an old lady. He and hid DS even grabbed some 1220 CHF in fine today also, well deserved.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 22:22, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie43nUEtveI

Froome to the haters :D

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 25.May 22:17, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
https://twitter.com/LottoJumbo_road/status/1000105610489286662
This was me after todays stage :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 21:42, 2018
It is very pretty. Not seeing the best bits so far.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 21:40, 2018
Must say, Durham looks a lot more picturesque than Rugby :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 21:38, 2018
That's the one. An ITT.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 21:37, 2018
ah the Tour Series round I guess?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 21:33, 2018

Cycling race around Durham on Eurosport right now Assassin.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 21:01, 2018
I think Froome been watching me play PCM tbh. I always attack on Finestre,so i'm taking some credit for this :D:D

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 25.May 20:59, 2018
Also having big swing in the performance of the riders, lot of crysis in the third week, riders that pay for extra efforts in the early part of the race ecc. is a sign of a more clean cycling.
We are so much used to consistency in performance that we forget that having good and bad days is just natural, and at this level it makes the difference from being with the top GC riders to completely crack

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 25.May 20:52, 2018
Have Froome really spent much more nergy than Doumulin or Pinot today? If you think about it once Sky blew the race apart the only domestique who could help was Richenbach and not even that much.
Doumulin paced all the chasing and Pinot spent a lot of energy attacking, being in a small group was a factor only for few km.
To me he maybe spent 10% more than the others, that is way the tactic was brilliant and the stage well designed for early attacks. You just needed the legs and the courage to take the opportunity

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 25.May 20:43, 2018
Froome's performance today is way too reminiscent of Landis. Unfortunately what he did today gives me more respect for Lance as he was never so brazen as what Froome is.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 18:12, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Cool scenarios for tomorrow ... huge fight for podium, youth jersey, and Froome hasn't won quit just yet ... today's effort must have cost alot ....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 17:45, 2018
Breakaway win tomorrow?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 17:43, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
I read 57 min somewhere

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 17:43, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
56 m

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.May 17:42, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
whats the time limit today?

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 25.May 17:28, 2018
THE DAWGGGGGG hahahahahahahahha :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 17:25, 2018
Got to feel a little sorry for The Bury Black Pudding.

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Friday 25.May 17:22, 2018
1st Winter Fantasy Overall
Merckx and Hinault have done it. 72-73 and 82-83

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 25.May 17:18, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froomie first ever to win three Grand Tours in a row if he bags this one.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 17:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This conversation has been done in the SKY trailer when they planed this season .... if Froomes is going to win Giro TdF double ... he cant win Giro with 3 minutes ... 1 second is enough....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 16:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Carapaz for podium? Not too far behind Pinot and free ride and been looking good today

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 16:28, 2018
Top 100. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 16:28, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
He is ... heard it now ... 3 minutes behind Pozzo group

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 16:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
The question of if Dennis is still at work ? ... is he out there somewhere fighting for top 10 ? :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 16:23, 2018
Will he take the KOM jersey if he wins this?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 16:19, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Going to be tired riders tomorrow. Froome can lose it there

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 16:17, 2018
Never dreamt Froome would be in pink three hours ago. #epic ride

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 16:14, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
No doubt ... this is not extreme luck

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.May 16:13, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
look at what froome did last year. he was shit in the spring, to be able to be strong for the tour-vuelta double. had he focused on winning romandie, dauphine, catalunya etc then he would have failed to win the vuelta. froome knows what hes doing

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 16:10, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Plus the way he had done this Giro.... concentrated on these two monster stages only ... did just desent TTs and " maybe" deliberately saved strength on all other stages .... this is either extremely calculated or extreme luck ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 16:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Remember it is one week extra rest between Giro and Tour this year. That is very important for an double attempt

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 16:05, 2018
Wonder how Viviani is going?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 16:04, 2018
Going to be a lot of riders timed out probably.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 16:01, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
In pink :D .... WOW

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.May 16:00, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
people were talking about froome maybe dropping out of the giro after the 2 weeks, to prepare for the tour.
but will he even be allowed to ride the tour? salbutamol case still undecided, so i didnt understand why he would do that, and never considered taking him off my team.
now if he wins this, can he possibly do the giro-tour double (if allowed to ride)? the first week is "easy" with no mountain stages, so he might get away with peaking for the 2nd week. and maybe he has to do that? its been 20 years since someone (pantani) has managed to pull it off, all other attempts have failed because of fatigue in the 3rd week or something

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:56, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
I did. But never do any betting.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:51, 2018
You said 'in some ways' Froome was your favourite to win this Giro Andy. Beginning to look like you should of lumped on at 9/1.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:43, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
30 seconds to pink now

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:41, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This giros has been a little " contador ... where are you " ish .... but this saves the day :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:38, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome only got inspiration from Remco Evenepoel

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 25.May 15:36, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
Mission impossible when clean, when Froome apparently not.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:36, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I don't miss Contador as much right now :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:31, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
3-2-1 on the final sprint of the day. It is 2 pr stage

boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 25.May 15:28, 2018
8th Winter Fantasy Overall
Are there bonus seconds on intermediate sprints?

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:28, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Mission impossible this ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:25, 2018
If he wins it will be one of the great GT rides. If he wins, and goes into pink it will be the greatest GT ride. In my memory anyway.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:24, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Now the tough part starts for Froome

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:24, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I wonder where Dennis is right now ... :D

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Friday 25.May 15:21, 2018
..but most likely not. Whole SKY suddenly upped their game to the max after being pretty anonymous this far, apart from Poels at Zoncolan. Crazy stage and crazy race.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Friday 25.May 15:20, 2018
Would be hilarious if Froome cracks completely tomorrow because of todays effort.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:19, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Of course not Dowsett. Just classic RCS bantz

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:19, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Agree .. it cant have been Dowsett...

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.May 15:19, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
anyone know what the time limit will be today?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:19, 2018
Definitely not Dowsett.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 25.May 15:17, 2018
Sure that was Dowsett and not Goncalves?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:13, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
The new British climber ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:13, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Yates won't make it to the finish today will he ... ? Didnt look like it just now ... Stybar passed him

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:10, 2018
Dowsett in ninth over the top. Big LOL.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:07, 2018
Froome not sure which stage was the Queen stage so decided best to take both of therm. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 15:03, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Carapaz best chance to achieve that is on Jafferau, not to help Dumoulin/Pinot

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 15:01, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Nice fight between the youngsters also...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 15:00, 2018
Will Pinot's descending hold up the group?

boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 25.May 15:00, 2018
8th Winter Fantasy Overall
Lopez won't help because he is hanging all day. But Carapaz should try to drop Lopez for white.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 14:56, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
That is the hope to Dumoulin. But why should Lopez and Carapaz help?

boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 25.May 14:56, 2018
8th Winter Fantasy Overall
Hope Pinot will think about podium and save Dumoulin :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:55, 2018
Will the four chasers ride together to chase down Froome?

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 14:51, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Finaly i can sit down :D .... looks like we could just do THIS stage and drop the rest of this race :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 14:48, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
And Pinot suddenly back in the game for podium after 2 bad days.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 25.May 14:44, 2018
VROOOOOM, don't know if I should laugh or cry :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.May 14:44, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
omg :O
epic stage

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:42, 2018
Froome trying to go solo with 8Ok to go.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 14:41, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome solo 80K to finish! Never seen that before

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 25.May 14:37, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wonder how good the surface is now to the top.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:33, 2018
Konrad not with leaders either.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:31, 2018
Yates now lost 2nins on his rivals. Will struggle to stay in top 10 in GC at this rate.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 25.May 14:27, 2018
That's your job opportunity boris. Write the TV station and become the cycling expert :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:26, 2018
Lopez back on, in last place in lead group.

boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 25.May 14:26, 2018
8th Winter Fantasy Overall
How is it annoying to watch such a great stage with Serbian commentator who thinks Lopez is Carapaz, Ciccone isn't a climber etc.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:24, 2018
Cant see Dennis or Lopez in leading group of about 20. Yates over a minute behind the other GT contenders.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 25.May 14:21, 2018
I jinxed him when I traded him in.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 14:20, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis? ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:18, 2018
End of.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 25.May 14:18, 2018
Yates in trouble already.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Friday 25.May 13:54, 2018
Aru DNF

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Friday 25.May 11:42, 2018
goon, the question is are those guys around Dennis strong enough to take him that time?..
I mean, me like many other are thinking the aussie will have one of those days arriving 10/15 minutes later or even more... :)
Today's stage (specially) was the main reason to not believe in a top10 from Dennis. I must say if i have to have a bad result in this race i just hope it will be for dropping Dennis. It will be amazing to watch the man surviving today! :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Friday 25.May 10:57, 2018
I can't believe you'll be able to do so... :)
For today's stage i just ask courage to those who need to cut time. If so, this will be epic!

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 25.May 09:39, 2018
I'm going off the grid (apart from posting on season fantasy) as I'm saving these two upcoming stages for Tuesday and Thursday evening on the roller. Wonder if I'm able to avoid the results for that long :p

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 09:29, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
About Froome .... I was thinking ... 2.54 behind Tom Dum ..... ah.. well, I'll say no way, considering how TD do this thing.... 3.22 behind Yates ... well, that can happen .... but also Yates got a brain, so he will not risk to drop out of everything if he doesn't feel as strong as he has been through this Giro ... which he most likely won't .... Pozzovivo 39 ahead of Froome ....well, he never cracks so even that will be very hard ... so podium doesn't look all that realistic for Froome .... on the other hand, he is here to win, and the distance is not impossible ... so this will be one epic day of cycling... I can't wait :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 25.May 09:23, 2018
I've only made small bets:
Kuba not to win a stage
Schachmann to win a stage
Viviani to win sprint jersey

Aru is priced at 8 to win today's stage, too low for me given Sky, Astana, Bahrain and possibly also FDJ will look to put a a hellish tempo early on and probably put riders in the breakaway if they can.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 09:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Aru wins today .... i put all my money on that :D
I see two chances for Dennis ... vs Konrad and, or if Yates COMPLETLY collaps :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 25.May 09:04, 2018
I have no regrets dropping Dennis - I don't think he'll finish top 10. Roche is a big loss for him for these two stages.

Starting to regret slightly dropping Froome, but that was as much heart as head.

Epic Aru-win incoming today?

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 25.May 08:55, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Like i said a couple of days ago Francisco ... Dennis is like the 15th last guy to drop in the climbs ... he was better than that yesterday, but in a climb that suited him very well .... I agree, it will be interesting to see if he stays on his course for top 10 and do his own pace throughout today, or if he gives up because it's just too damn hard :D .... he got 2 minutes to defend in that matter to guys like Bennet, Konrad, Carapaz and Bilbao .... i think he got a desent chance, but maybe 11th GC is the most realistic .... O'Connor is currently 12th, 2.36 behind Dennis ... that he can defend....

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 24.May 23:58, 2018
Prepare for two days of fireworks :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 24.May 20:26, 2018
Agree with you Aragonite, it would have been great to see Plaza making the “triplete”.. :(

Tomorrow I think it will be the key stage for me to conclude if dropping Rohan after 1st week was a normal move or the dumbiest ever.
P.S. I have made a lot so far... :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 20:05, 2018
1/1 Big Tom 5/4 The Bury Black Pudding 9/1 The Dog 12/1 Little Pozzo. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.May 19:56, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
He still need to survive tomorrow. Today and Saturday suits Dumoulin more with gentle percentages, tomorrow however is very steep. But he is lucky that the finish line isn't at Forte Jafferau, which I would have preferred, although I think it is unpaved from the finish line.

Someway I have Froome as my favorite. He has still to prove he is in form, but Yates got big problems today, Dumoulin not that good on steep roads and can't see Pozzovivo winning, even though that is what I really hope for.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 19:37, 2018
Big Tom favourite again now, with bookmakers.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Thursday 24.May 18:07, 2018
Really wanted Cattaneo to win to see Savio sneaking a look at podium girls :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:57, 2018
DS of Michelton Scott said Haig was taking it easy as per the original plan.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:46, 2018
Would of meant he got the Giro, Tour, Vuelta treble of stage wins.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:43, 2018
Really wanted Plaza to win. Probably his last chance of getting another GT stage.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Thursday 24.May 17:39, 2018
I thought Plaza was also done multiple times, but came back like a inverted boomerang :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:37, 2018
Looked knackered to me.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Thursday 24.May 17:35, 2018
Well, was Haig saving energy for tomorrow and dropped on purpose or was he really weak today?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:31, 2018
Jack Haig was dropped very early on that climb. First show of weakness from him too.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.May 17:29, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Now the others for the first see Yates can be dropped, that gives them high confidence for coming 2 days that they can actually win. So expect the firework to start at Finestre tomorrow, but then the teams need to get riders in the breakaway. Mitchelton got strong team so going to be hard to isolate Yates early. But maybe they are also tired, been tough race for them.

Nathan [CT Glory] Thursday 24.May 17:27, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
It happened. It finally happened.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:26, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
It really does ... now it suddenly feels like Dum is big favourite ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:23, 2018
He lost that in the last 2k, on what was a very easy day. Alarm bells going crazy. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:21, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What a great scenario we got now . ..

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 17:21, 2018
Yates lead is halved.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:18, 2018
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Wow .... didn't thought i see the day ... Yates is not the strongest guy atm.... a sign of weakness ...

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:10, 2018
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Well, I try to jinx both ... but I guess Quick step is immune :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:04, 2018
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Who sprints best of these two guys then?... I go for Cattaneo now

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 17:02, 2018
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Oh... Plaza almost got a little control for 2 seconds :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 16:57, 2018
Proper dog fight this one.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 16:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
You know ... for Quick step's 35th :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 16:20, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I m sorry ... " kvisten " is partykjeppen of course :))
Ruben Plaza in the break ? I can't see him on my tour tracker ...... anyway ... i think Schachman is the big favourite ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 16:06, 2018
Can remember Plaza beating Sagan on a big downhill finish in Le Tour like it was yesterday. Great stage it was.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 24.May 16:03, 2018
Not think Plaza is in with a chance of this stage goon?

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 24.May 16:02, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
"kvistens" <-- hoho, now thats something our non-norwegian friends won't understand.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 15:57, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
So ... FC guys makes it interesting today ... Cattaneo vs Schachmann .... problem is .... who am I gonna roth for ... EPOs or kvistens ? Wow ... it's like pick between plague or cholera :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 24.May 14:35, 2018
Schachmann has been a golden boy of mine ever since he broke his seatpin with his ass in Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txVu5upRyrw

If he pulls off something remotely as impressive today, it's time for a big raise #SF

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 24.May 14:32, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
Cattaneo vs. Schachmann today, kjeppen. #SF

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 24.May 14:12, 2018
#KjeppenCalledIt

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 14:07, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Jupp.... we won't get 18 consecutive stages without a break win .... unless something happens on the peloton right NOW :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.May 13:37, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Break got it today. To big question remaining for the stage. Who to win without taking any turns like a certain Aussie did 10 years ago? And who to do a Menchov while on the attack?

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 10:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Agree ... MS won't care much about the win today, even though Yates is a clear favourite for a sprint .... Pinot should have some plans, and SKY did start SOMETHING yesterday ... maybe a long therm plan for one of these 3 stages ... or maybe all of them ... would be great :))

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 24.May 10:19, 2018
I think a break could stick today if teams get two riders in it, one engine to put in the work on the flat. Then you have the question of which teams would be looking to bring it back for the chance of bonus seconds. Michelton-Scott are going into defense mode, so Sky and possibly Sunweb/FDJ are the only possible culprits for me.

But yeah, tomorrow and Saturday are more interesting with regards to breakaway due to the mountain points on offer.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 24.May 10:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Todays stage does not exactly have the breakaway profile either ... will there be 18 consecutive stages without a successful break on a GT :D ... so much for 8 man team :D .... although, it needs to be said ... this years parcourse didn't involve many of those typical breakaway profiles ...
I guess thats why partykjepp shut up about it :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Wednesday 23.May 23:54, 2018
Aru comes off as a bit capricious - ie. he needs a strong set of support characters to perform, like when Astana broke Big Tom in the 2015-Vuelta. Having a team which can protect him until 10 ks of the start of the final climbs won't do.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 23:54, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I guess last year, previous team training still had affect

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 23.May 23:49, 2018
Last year they where better and they where essentialy Lampre on a different name with a bigger budget! This is the year they had time to plan, but there is not much planning at all it seems.
On Aru what is said here is that he actually trained too much, with very long periods in height, and that is crysis on Sunday was mental before than physical

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 23.May 23:43, 2018
No need for Greg. Just give him a mirror. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 23:39, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I agree all here ... UAE seems to destroy riders for money, instead of building them up in a strong spots environment....
Another really really weird thing I just notice .... exept from Chaves win on Etna ( which should have been Yates ) no breakaways has made it home after 17 stages in this Giro ..
That must be really unique .... has that ever happened ?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Wednesday 23.May 23:33, 2018
I think you'll find they expected him to contract dysentery by his own devices again, like in 2015. In other words they'll have someone standing by to make it a certainty next year. Perhaps Greg Henderson?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 23.May 23:30, 2018
Eurosport said that UAE had let Aru prepare his own training regime prior to this attempt on the Giro, which is what he wanted. Evidently he has already been told that this will not be happening again.
You would have to think that UAE's training methods will not bring that much of an improvement though, considering how badly the rest of their team has done this year. :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Wednesday 23.May 23:26, 2018
#ScattergunApproach

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Wednesday 23.May 23:25, 2018
Swift and Costa haven't been hitting expected heights either. There are some very good youngsters in Ganna, Consonni and Riabushenko, but as far as the more senior members of the squad goes it looks like they've signed a handful of riders who are among, but not the best in their niche without the proper support to propel them into winning positions.

Atapuma and Polanc (no offence Troy) doesn't exactly sound like superdoms for a GT-win, neither do Marcato and Bystrøm for the cobbles.

They need to refine their focus, they can't aim for everything at once whilst also carrying a couple of token signings for to pay nationalistic dues.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 23.May 23:15, 2018
Also, Ulissi = ghost, Atapuma = is he riding? Then this Aru-show, drops out from GC and then goes old-school crazy after the rest day gaining nothing more than time penalty and few memes later on.

(Dan Martin good start ey?) UAE = destroying careers :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 23.May 22:41, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
It is indeed only Kristoff who has won (if we forget about Anass and local Maroc race and the win to Mirza in Asian Champs), but UAE didn't signed him to win Frankfurt. Ok, he has won one stage in their home race, but they were hoping for more. They got the money, but not culture to Quick Step, that can't be bought for money.

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 23.May 22:17, 2018
On UAE topic exactly none of the riders meet expectations, the only wins might be the one of Kristoff (and only a couple I remember of).
The riders are talented on paper, so they either discovered the first form of reversed team doping or something went very wrong with their training and planning :D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 15:24, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wellens .... where are you :D:D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 15:24, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And now it's poring down .... this is fun :D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 15:18, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
No breake properly established yet ... wow ... I had some hopes for this stage ... looked interesting on paper.... lumpy start and only 155 km ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 23.May 13:39, 2018
Quick-Step rider with mechanical, reducing the distance of this first climb. Coincidence?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 23.May 12:10, 2018
I didn't change anything except Aru out for Yates. Hail Mary to Rome. The x4 has to move me up in the rankings. Can't get worse a lot anyway^^

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Wednesday 23.May 12:00, 2018
I agree about Dennis and his performence/strategy so far. I chosed him for the first week and it was very very good, i didn't kept him because this 3rd week seems very dificult to him and i replaced him for Carapaz who has a diesel engine and will be good until Rome. I hope... :)

The true is he's been performing great at his own pace, not following those fast moves. Probably i should have kept him, one of the most interesting things to watch until Rome for me1

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 23.May 09:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis by the way .... i think he do very well ... he ride it like a Dumoulin light .... i think he got a chance to stay top 10, which I'm sure is his goal ... he is like the 15th ish last guy to drop in the long climbs, so it will be tough ... but let's see if he can improve a little bit in the last week here ... I am rothing for him :))

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 23.May 02:27, 2018
I kept Aru mostly because I have slotted as a co-captain with a 125% return and am just hoping he keeps a top 10 GC finish. I actually decided the same with Denis even those he's at 80%. Of course being just barely inside the top 100 not sure how much good the final GC additional points will be.

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 23.May 00:28, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Manager news: everytime I open up the trade windows for a GT I do a test change, to check that everything works as intended. My test change was Lopez -> Roy Curvers @125 apparently :( :( ffs

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 23.May 00:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
You are not alone about taking Aru out.

sker: Look at the season to UAE, what rider have delivered what they were expected to? I say none.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 23.May 00:23, 2018
If the break stays away tomorrow and there is no sprint finish. Then I have almost certainly made a mistake ditching Aru. Having said that his turnaround in form has been truly remarkable so will not be beating myself up too much about it.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Tuesday 22.May 23:06, 2018
It seems FC HQ will be redecorated soon. At least enough reorganization to earn some space... :)
How many dozens of managers are wondering if they (we) made to proper decision dropping Aru?.. Not even to earn the national jersey he made such lone ride, i think... :)

P.S. Thinking Rohan Dennis will lose big in one of the 3 stages (at least) if not I will not forget and forgive myself for his replacement in K92 team... :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 22.May 21:03, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
It's just to set the money into the budget, it will happen.

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 22.May 21:01, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
If that happen I will personally buy a popcorn-machine and install it ta HQ :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 22.May 20:24, 2018
Poor guy has asthma. Give him a break. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Tuesday 22.May 20:16, 2018
And yes if Froome is determined it will be epic. Nibali was further back on time at this point in 2016 so maybe Froome can pay some snowbanks to greet Yates. If and I mean IF, he pulls out the overall win.... i'm going to all the anti-doping twitter pages and getting a shitload of popcorn :D

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Tuesday 22.May 20:14, 2018
Polanc is always on form... (in my heart)

sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 22.May 19:55, 2018
Also Pinot really disappointing, bad TT and defensive approach to the race so far. Let's hope that he starts to be more aggressive in the next stages and that Froome is really determined to try to win: if that is the case the final 2 stages will be super

sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 22.May 19:51, 2018
Aru in my opinion had psycological breakdown sunday, maybe realizing that his whole preparation have not given the hoped result.
In fact can you name a single UAE rider who is in decent form at this giro? Where are Ulissi, Polanc, Atapuma or even a guy like Marcato?
Aru prepared hard, he may even be in form for the final stages but it's way too late and badly programmed

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 16:56, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wow ... Pinot . .... i guess we can say he still got a problem with combinding climbing and timetrailing :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 16:32, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Tale wind

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 16:32, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And no way this course opens up gaps to threaten Yates at all today . .

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 22.May 16:27, 2018
Yes, this has to be more surprising than Yates dominating everyone :D wtf Aru

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 16:20, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This giros biggest shock so far.... Aru did some angry timetrailing there:D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 22.May 16:11, 2018
What has Aru had for breakfast?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 15:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I thought I saw an umbrella :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 15:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
A little rain in the air ?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 22.May 15:19, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
My spam mail says Yates at 16.30, and as goon says 3 min interval, and that is between top 15.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 22.May 15:18, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
steinvik the list is here http://www.feltet.dk/live/?urlPath=live
just click "sorter spørgsmål fra" and scroll down

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 15:16, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
3 minutes interval

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 22.May 15:15, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
11th gc Dennis starts at 4

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 22.May 15:14, 2018
About an hour from now.

Steinvik [Skjelstadmark IL] Tuesday 22.May 15:12, 2018
anyone got starttimes for the most important riders for the TT?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 22.May 12:44, 2018
That should read DNS. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 22.May 12:35, 2018
My ballsy decision would be to ditch Froome, bring in Yates on 150, and Poels on 125. Then pray Froome DNF's after the ITT. Don't think mine are big enough though.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 21.May 20:59, 2018
Yates said he was feeling very emotional after Sundays victory, and didn't know why. Imo it was because it had finally dawned on him that his first GT was right there, his for the taking. This added psychological pressure is all that can prevent him from taking this Giro. His legs will not let him down, his head might.

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 21.May 20:32, 2018
To me now is Yates vs Dumoulin. I have seen no spark from Pozzovivo and Pinot.
Anyway tomorrow night we will have a pretty clear picture

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 21.May 10:10, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
By now it looks really good for Yates, but by the looks of stage 18 - 20 .... I feel anything can happen here still ... ONE bad day here, and you loose 5 minutes easy .... next week will be crucial and Froome can still win this thing, if each of those ahead get their bad day at some point during week 3 ... Lopez can win this thing, for the same reasons ... but maybe pace machine Dumoulin got the best hand here still ... unless Yates do something really really rare ... go through a GT without a weak day ...

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 20.May 22:42, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
The public holiday in Norway should be the three last weeks of July.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 22:32, 2018
Is this weekend the start of the two week holiday in Norway, where either everyone goes abroad or stays in Norway and drinks heavily?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 20:31, 2018
You guys love our cider.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 20.May 20:20, 2018
Andy to Bury for sure then :D

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 20.May 20:15, 2018
No I didn't :D and tbf it wasn't that bad, looked like every other small town in UK :) Bulmers at the local small market were sold at surprisingly low cost.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 19:52, 2018
You have been to Bury one more time than me. Is it as much of a shit-hole as I imagine?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 19:44, 2018
You didn't try the culinary delicacy, black pudding? The Yates brothers were probably brought up on it. :)

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 20.May 19:33, 2018
Been at Bury once :D Watching football match Bury FC vs Yeovil Town, latter gor promoted after the game and their surprisingly big fan group went crazy. From the home crowd biggest noise was making +90y old grandma with her "C'MOON BURY!!" chants every five minutes. I remember wondering that these are the streets where the twins used to train when they were young bois.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 18:01, 2018
The Bury Black Pudding.
What a nickname!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 17:55, 2018
Simon Philip Yates has to be long odds on to win this now.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 20.May 17:22, 2018
Sheikhs aren't paying him to DNF :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 20.May 16:19, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wow ... Aru like to quit ... but the team won't let him ...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 20.May 16:07, 2018
Aru probably DNF soon. Such a poor performance overall from Fabio :o

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 16:06, 2018
Will Aru finish today?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 20.May 14:22, 2018
Woods might be going to have a go today. Drapac riding on the front. Looked to have good legs yesterday, went for a crazy solo from early on Zoncolan, yet still finished 12th.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 20.May 11:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
For me it is those 6 who can win it, although I doubt Pozzovivo and Pinot can. Froome definitively is back in the game and you never know about Astana tactics so Lopez have a small chance also. I fear today only can be disappointing, too big expectations and nothing happens. I hope I am wrong though.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 20.May 09:45, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Andy! Let's add Froome and Lopez to that list, and we're up to 6 guys .... which leaves us to today's stage .... I got such high hopes for this stage that disappointment is at risk :D .... isn't it a bless when two of the biggest favourites, and two of the best climber in the world got time to pick up ...
Today's stage looks like something I would like to watch from the start..... And if we're really lucky, we will see a classic Giro sircus stage ala contador, with favourites spread all over the place ....
A harmless breakaway and no gc fight would be a huge disappointment, and seems extremely unlikely today :))

Musician [Musician] Sunday 20.May 01:09, 2018
Well it looks like Sky finally found a way to smuggle Froome his extra "certified" puffs again....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 23:01, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
And that is top 4? Or has Froome a chance of winning and then who of top 4 not having it?

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 19.May 21:24, 2018
At this point I think we're down to 4 riders who have a real shot at winning this race.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 18:18, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Top 6 today is also top 6 gc now ... not in that order of course .... but it says something about Zoncolan . ..

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 18:10, 2018
And I get the stage win in the managers comp. Perfect. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 18:00, 2018
Todays result really sets up the third week. Going to be a real treat.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 17:29, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis almost caught Aru :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:29, 2018
The steep bit at the end rescued Froome. What a fucking win!

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 17:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But he didn't lose too much time. Is smart to pace themselves on a climb like this.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:23, 2018
George Bennett went 'pop' really early.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:11, 2018
Aru wins the gurning comp. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 17:10, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome is back!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 17:05, 2018
Froome going well. Pleasantly surprised.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:54, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I hope Froome do well today ... this will not be the same without him ...

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:53, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And now Poels on front :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:49, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome on the tale already ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:47, 2018
Start of a Moto GP. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:44, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Lopez should do well yes, but he wasn't that outstanding on the steepest climbs in Vuelta last year, was better where it was like 7-8%. And not sure about his form either, hasn't looked that good so far.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:44, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall

I usaly got an opinion ... rarely the tight one though, but still ... I got an opinion of who I think will be best in a climb ... but for Zoncolan .... i got nothing . ... although I can agree Pozzovivo .... but if Lopez got legs, he should win because he is together with Landa ( and Bernal maybe ) the best climber in the world .

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:36, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Average of 15%, don't remember the length. No cars on Zoncolan either Tomas ;) I remember Riis on moto behind Contador in 2011.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:31, 2018
It is easier to pick those that will not win. I think the GC guys will let a small group go. Formolo for the win. Pozzo and Lopez to do best of the GC contenders.

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 19.May 16:30, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wasn't that stage like twice as steep? Kind of remember the cars couldnt get up there...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 19.May 16:24, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
For me it is obviously Pozzovivo today. Remember the Trentino 2012 stage where he absolutely smashes everybody in a similar climb, not that long though, but insane steep.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 16:16, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This climb is hardly for anyone :D ... the good climber with the day wins .... and so far, Yates got the lowest odds for that ... let's see how it goes :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 19.May 16:12, 2018
Surprised so many TV pundits are tipping Yates for this stage. I realise he is in stellar form, but don't think Zoncolan is his type of climb at all. We shall soon find out though. Can't wait. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 19.May 15:56, 2018
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Zoncolan guys ... Zoncolan..... not every day :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 18.May 21:51, 2018
I'm currently having some time off in the area my family hails from and doesn't look like being "unplugged" and not watching these last few stages have been a big miss.

I have a slight fear everyone will just be waiting for Zoncolan tomorrow and it'll be 30 very exciting minues and nothing else - but on the other hand I hope Sunday's stage will be the exact opposite with people desperate to take time before the ITT having their teams try to ambush others. Like that one stage last year where Movistar almost sunk big Tom when he was badly placed.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 18.May 17:10, 2018
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Quick step's nr 32 this season .... WOW

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 20:10, 2018
Might be worth putting something on the Giro Managers league page about this mistake in the scoring. Not everyone will read the comments page.

sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 17.May 19:12, 2018
With a 10x GC multiplier the game would be limited to select the right GC riders.
Getting it down to 3x or evene add similar multiplier for other jerseys might be nice adjustment for the future, I think I never went for less than 7 GC riders in a GT manager

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 17:16, 2018
Bennett hit the turbo switch. What a show of power.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 17:02, 2018
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Mohoric vs Betancur?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 16:43, 2018
Shit weather means Tim Wellens. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 17.May 16:33, 2018
Absolute downpour with 28k to go. Split in peloton. Looks like it's going to be a scary finish.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:45, 2018
Ruvu: Major changes, like resytling de website, make the rules more friendly to understand...

I don't care if you disagree with me because you don't read the rules, i have the right o be annoye if you like or not.

In the end of the day, it's a big mess.

Tomas
I understand your position and i accept. For me, this discussion is closed.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 14:37, 2018
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I see the problem here for first time GT players at FC big time :( We can't do much more then to lay down and say sorry...

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Regarding 10x. If we decided to change the overall points it would rather be setting it down to 3x, rather then upping it. Since "most" players already in the 4x model tends to use 7-8 out of 9 rider spots for GC-guys within that model - atleast for Giro and Vuelta.

Ruvu [Ruvu] Thursday 17.May 14:29, 2018
Major changes? Re-writing the rules doesn't necessarily mean the rules change... It was meant to make them more clear, describe them more detailed then just the few lines in the 'info & rules'-part at http://firstcycling.com/maninfo.php

Major changes would ofc have been communicated

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:25, 2018
So, it's x4?

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 14:23, 2018
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"Make them better" might be poor word choosing from me. Not "better" as in changing/altering them, just making the plain text better in the way that the reserve system finally got typed down proper and so on.

It's absolutely in your right to disagree, just so thats said.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:17, 2018
EPO
The FC is under major changes, like Tomas said: "We had a total re-write of the whole rules for the manager system in an update not that long ago to make them better. A bit wierd that it went through the censorship."

I accept what the decision the FC make, but i'm free to disagree. It's my opinion.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 17.May 14:11, 2018
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sinal: you have been here since 2014 and it doesnt strike you as a bit odd that its suddenly upped from 4x to 10x ?...

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 14:10, 2018
I don't care if some people don't read the rules! Sorry K92 but I read the rules, and was x10 and that info make take some decisions.

I accept the x4, but I don't agree with that decision. Sorry

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 13:45, 2018
Seems clear to me, this was always 4x, at least since i'm here. Some problem when working, shit hapens..

Triple J, sinal, i perfectly understand your point but, i guess, the same goes to the opposite as well.. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 13:36, 2018
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http://firstcycling.com/maninfo.php

I agree this is not good, but here you see it is x4. Absolutely no idea why it stood x10 on Giro info, should never been there.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 13:34, 2018
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We had a total re-write of the whole rules for the manager system in an update not that long ago to make them better. A bit wierd that it went through the censorship.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Thursday 17.May 13:29, 2018
Yes, i didn't change because of that! What a mess.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 17.May 13:26, 2018
That's a pretty big information mess. Managers might have built their teams around x10 and maybe didn't change their riders they would have with only x4 on the rest day...

I just didn't even read the rules this time round^^

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 13:25, 2018
As i said i didn't notice, it was sinal who told when we were talking about Froome's performence in Giro.

I found it important for you to deal with.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 17.May 13:16, 2018
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Not sure how that got through in the info pages on our last text update :o

But I've just checked and it's this two lines have been in place in team selector and on manager team viewer for GT's always:
"To get points for the overall riders have to stay in position the whole race. You are participating with the riders chosen"

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 12:25, 2018
- The final classification also gives points. Ten times the points of a stage. Points are only awarded if a rider stays for the entire duraction of the race in your team at the same spot!

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 11:46, 2018
In the Giro manager information.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.May 11:37, 2018
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Where is that written Francisco? It is of course 4x.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 17.May 11:36, 2018
* the riders who stays in place (same role) the WHOLE race get 4x points for their placement in the GC

Don't think so.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 17.May 11:28, 2018
The final GC points will be 10x instead of the usual 4x?!!
Didn't notice until now, talking with sinal... :(
My fault since i'm a "resident" here... :)
If beting strong in Froome wasn't enough now this... please, someone send him a inhaler... :|

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 16.May 18:57, 2018
It's always a question how world class U23 and Jr riders end up in the pro's, but Mohoric is doing a nice job there.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 16.May 16:52, 2018
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Yeah ... and way more crucial than I thought . .. this opens up bigger gaps than Etna :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 16.May 16:46, 2018
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Fantastic finish this!

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 18:10, 2018
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But then again, we said that about GVA in Rio also ...

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 18:09, 2018
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Little hard for him this world's ... but later i' m sure ...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 15.May 17:34, 2018
Give him 10km downhill before the finish and it's gonna be tight battle with Nibs. He got the JR and U23 wins already so yeah, would be cool.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 17:34, 2018
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He is a World Champ specialist, think he already is the only to win both Jr and U23 worlds.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 17:30, 2018
Mohoric. Future World Champ maybe?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 17:08, 2018
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It's all about energy left after such a hard day. But Mohoric is favorite here in a two-men sprint

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 17:04, 2018
Does Denz have a decent spriint finish?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:56, 2018
Great days racing, regardless who wins.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 16:47, 2018
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Of course he is with that good nickname. Been very anonymous as pro so far, but this is his day

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:45, 2018
A favourite of yours?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 16:43, 2018
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But he will lose to Nico Vinz ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 16:42, 2018
Mohoric descends like a bullet . :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 15:23, 2018
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Back to boring now :D i went out when QS stoped trying, and when I came back, 6 minutes :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:49, 2018
Chaves could lose ten minutes easily now.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:46, 2018
Definitely.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:40, 2018
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Game over with gap at 2.30?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 14:29, 2018
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Who would have thought today's stage would be the most exhausting one for everyone :D although ... the length and the profile did open up fore some possibilities for fun

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:28, 2018
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Best stage so far at the Giro without any doubt

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:28, 2018
Time gap between the two groups really is like a piece of elastic. Great stuff.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:14, 2018
Thought today was going to be a breakaway borefest. It's anything but.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 15.May 14:13, 2018
Even said it two times :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 14:13, 2018
Its obvious to Carlton why Willier are riding, Mareczko is in the Chaves group. What a dope. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 14:05, 2018
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Changed my mind now that Quick Step is helping and Wilier also for one very strange reason. He can come back, but still many hours left here so a lot can happen

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 14:01, 2018
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Upside down stage . .. weird :D 
Alright guys ... the betting is open ... can Chaves get back ?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 15.May 13:54, 2018
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A way more interesting stage than I thought ... and every one else I suppose....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 13:36, 2018
244k today. Not the best day to have a bad one.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 13:26, 2018
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2.15 behind peloton and 155 km to go. With most GC teams at front in peloton it is good bye for him

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 15.May 13:14, 2018
Looks even worse with three of the big GC teams at the front of the peloton trying to ride him out of contention.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.May 12:36, 2018
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Doesn't look god for Chaves today, lost contact with peloton already. DNF upcoming?

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 14.May 02:23, 2018
Seems to me like a needless complication: you create an exception rule only for GT rest day where not only reserves can kick in in the middle of a manger but also work in a different way (direct substitution instead of the usual shifting).
That only to cover the few cases where a huge name drop a GT race unannounced (4 years ago Kittel is the only precedent I see named).
That's just my two cents of course, nothing against it in principle

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:08, 2018
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Ah .. sorry ... didn't see the question mark there
This is the first GT with reserves so ... better to have a rule for it before the rest day ...

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 21:05, 2018
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Reading you a bit quick there ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:03, 2018
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Are you sure about that Tomas ?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 21:02, 2018
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Did i ?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:59, 2018
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goon changing his mind? :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 20:57, 2018
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I agree ... we cant have this ... it should counts only for the start of the GT...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 20:27, 2018
I can't remember it to be honest. But it would be less problematic surely leaving it as is. Once the race starts the function of the reserves is finished. In the case of Kittel then that is just bad luck.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:20, 2018
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Not sure if you remember the Kittel thingy Aragonite - think he jumped of like 60min+ before the window closed for changes. In my opinion the same thing as the reason for us to have the reseveres in the first place. Only reason its not here now, is frankly that I havent thought about it before goon meantioned it earlier today.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 20:18, 2018
Don't really see why a GT should be any different to other races. The reserves I thought were simply there in case any of your team doesn't start the race. Once the race starts the reserves are redundant. If you then select a rider to come in and he climbs off on the rest day then that's just tough imo.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 20:17, 2018
I do like that idea for future GTs with the reserve spots.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 20:10, 2018
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You are correct goon. And this should be implemented to Le tour, along with another GT-manager tweek I have in mind. But not during a competition.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 20:07, 2018
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For the reserve kicks in on the rest days in GTs

IF a rider abandons on the rest day and the reserves kick in, the reserves can't move all the other guys a step up from where the abondened rider was, because of the stationary gc spot .... the reserves must replace that exact spot .... this is the main difference ... it can't be all that hard to script can it?

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 19:57, 2018
One change on my manager. Debating a couple others.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:55, 2018
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Stay in position = GC points for the overall position after the race is finished.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 19:55, 2018
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It is only final GC points where you have to keep the riders in same position. So answer is no.

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 13.May 19:53, 2018
Quick question: the riders that have to stay in position are only the GC guys? Eventually moving Viviani up would not alter his jersey points right?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:44, 2018
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If Team SKY managed to run in Egan Arley Bernal as Tour captain, while Froomie sits at home they would have me cheering for sure.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 13.May 19:41, 2018
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if he will be allowed to ride the Tour, the jury is still out on his doping case

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 19:26, 2018
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Well Tomas . ... i just told you that on privat, so you know I do :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 19:06, 2018
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What you need to think about is whether or not Froomie are planning on turn up to the next stage. Or just do a DNS concentrating on Tour de France.. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:41, 2018
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Meaning, i don't have to think about this now ? We work it out to the tour ...

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 18:39, 2018
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That would mean the whole structure behind the scenes would have to change. Code wise, a GT now is like 3 normal stage races, with an alternative GC-setup. This would still be on the start of a "stage race" sort of.

But we cant start altering rules during a race/game.

Should on the other hand be placed high on the idea list before Tour de France hits our calendar.

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 13.May 18:33, 2018
Well an eventual DNS during a GT manager is like a DNF in a normal race. You are able to substitute and lose the GC bonus.
Otherwise we should allow reserves to kick in for any DNF, wich is not a terrible idea but alter the game significantly

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 18:09, 2018
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Good point Andy. Would have had to be a stright swap here, not the normal bumping of the whole team. I just said I saw his point :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:08, 2018
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PS. I know I ask for it ... it's not like I lick asses in here :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 18:07, 2018
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There you go ... a real answer to a real question .. :))

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 18:05, 2018
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But difficult to find good way to solve it. If Froome DNS, I can't put my vice-captains up either because then I lose my x4 points. And difficult for a script to understand that.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:59, 2018
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@goon: didnt I just support you? I remember that Kittel-case as it was last year.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:56, 2018
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Wow ... the trash you admins must through around about goon on private :D:D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:53, 2018
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goon actually have a good point there regarding that Kittel case. That DNS happened right up before the stage start.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:53, 2018
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What ??

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 13.May 17:51, 2018
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You can transfer him out if you want :)

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:46, 2018
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Or Giro was it ? 2014 maybe ....

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 17:43, 2018
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Question.... will reserve kick in now ? I got Kittel was it ? Abandoned TdF some years ago on a rest day on my mind :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 13.May 17:08, 2018
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Froomie going down the lists. It's a little like Lance in 2010 - riding while you know the doping carpets are falling down around you.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 13.May 10:15, 2018
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Nobody expect the break to go home today .... but today it will :D

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 13.May 01:13, 2018
Impressive win by Carapaz today. I didn't expect it mostly because of his lack of experience.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 13.May 00:31, 2018
Yeah the 1-2 days a year he's on form :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 00:20, 2018
Just remembered I had Polanc in my team for the Tour of Croatia, and he finished the race with a second to Modolo on an uphill sprinters stage. So he must have a finishing kick when on form.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 13.May 00:15, 2018
Polanc was the best climber in the break, but from what I've seen of him he needs a much stiffer finish than he got today. Perhaps a stage 14 breakaway is your chance to get your eighty Gadret's worth back. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 12.May 22:20, 2018
I must say I think it's been quiet good so far although a Polanc stage win today would have made it better..... saying that he was swinging like a madman a long way from home :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 12.May 22:10, 2018
Very unusual this GT compared with most others. Eight days in and all the big guns are still in the race.

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 11.May 21:37, 2018
You can't tell by the tv immages, but the reason Viviani was that behind is very poor illumination in the tunnel. They used wax torches wich left melted wax on the road. Riders had to slow down and go through very carefully and that almost split the peloton

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 11.May 17:30, 2018
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Now we know . .. it's fully possible to beat Viviani in a full speed sprint ... Bennett showes he is slightly faster and this time cool as ice and very smart ... I mean QS was waaaaay behind with 1.7 km to go ... still Bennett stays on Vivianis wheel.... not the worst choice of his life ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 11.May 15:53, 2018
The one strange thing of the Eurovision is the way countries with close borders are allowed to openly cheat. You know the way it goes, 'you give us douze points and we will give you the same'. UK obviously at a huge disadvantage being an island.
I can vaguely remember the Eurovision you recall Francisco. But it was the very early years of the competition and I was in my early teens. By the time I was sixteen the UK was really swinging and a night of 'drugs, and elusive sex,and rock n roll', was much more preferable to a Saturday night in with the parents and pop, and ice cream. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 11.May 09:33, 2018
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Wow ... impressive team from garaintoofast for the Etna stage ... Carapaz away from top 9 ..... not much room to play the game though ... but still ...
Of course, this was a team most of us had on their plate, i'm sure, but not all with this kind of patience and drop Viviani ... you might win this game in the end here if all stay on their bikes ...

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 11.May 00:27, 2018
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Haha they got place directly. Luckily Netherlands made it too!

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 10.May 23:13, 2018
At this point I still don’t know if Portugal got a place in the final...
This was the 2nd semifinal...:D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 10.May 23:09, 2018
There was a time when Eurovision Song Contest were a true happening in the year.
Family reunion in front of TV, papers with the table to follow the veredicts and so on...
Goon, Aragonite and other oldies do you follow me?! :)

That was forgoted during 25/30 years until last year with Portuguese victory. Finally!!! :D
This year it’s impossible to don’t pay some attention...:)
Not particularly interested about knowing the songs, to be honest I even didn’t listen the Portuguese song completely but it’s nice to have this here...:)

P.S Have you notice the taller brunette? It’s our woman in NCIS:LOs Angeles...
Wait! Australia in Eurovision?... :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 10.May 20:01, 2018
I didn't exactly expect Yates in Pink after today's stage, however for my manger I'll happily take it. I thought he'd have a shot at the one the puncheur stages and thought he might be able to do well in this GT just because of the form he'd been showing this year. Right now the combo of him and Chaves seems to be a really good 1-2 punch.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 17:54, 2018
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Well, that was not my plan ... Yates in pink after Etna was way off my mind pre race .... of course, when he did his TT of his life on stage 1, there was always a chance for that to happen, and I thought it maybe would on one of those puncheur stages, but still not after today ... that was way over my expectations ... I had Pinot, Dumoulin or Froome in pink after Etna pre race
The question that pops up now is, can he really stay THIS strong throughout after being top shaped since Paris Nice ?? That would be truly amazing.... not for my manager game though :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:37, 2018
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It work in norwegian anyway :))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:37, 2018
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Let's hope for no break today :D
Got it ? :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:35, 2018
Crazy place to live......................bottom of a volcano.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 16:29, 2018
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Now Stig Kristiansen guessed right :D even though he is not in the box today :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:16, 2018
Azerbaijan douze points. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 16:11, 2018
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Not a serious competition until the official Tour d'Azerbaijan song wins

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 10.May 16:10, 2018
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the lyrics of norway's song have no substance whatsoever.. and then you have the other bookies' favorite from israel, a song full of chicken noises!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 16:04, 2018
Who doesn't? Highlight of the year. :)

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 10.May 15:54, 2018
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From what I have been able to collect of info, Atlassassin watches Eurovision live every year ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:48, 2018
He said he missed watching it live last year. Probably just as well, his heart may not of been able to take it. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 15:46, 2018
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He has probably paid the riders to get his Polanc win

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:44, 2018
Assassin got inside info on this?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 10.May 15:40, 2018
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Chaves on Mount Polanc? Hard to agree with that.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 15:37, 2018
Chaves currently 5/1 to win this stage.
Which incidently is the same price as Norway to win the Eurovision song contest. Bet you guys have been singing along to this one for weeks now. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 15:04, 2018
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Yes .... i was a little surprised myself when Flecha did his reconnaissance climb earlyer ... the profile looks different as well ... alot more fun :D narrow roads and some steep parts

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 14:41, 2018
According to Brian Smith on British Eurosport the wind will play no part whatsoever as most of the climb on this side of Etna is forested. He does normally talk a lot of sense too, unlike some of the others. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 10.May 14:31, 2018
So surprised that they have let the little smiler get away in this break. Chaves doesn't seem to be working either, leaving that to Haig.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 11:05, 2018
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I think he will have some problems hanging on all the way here ... thats always his problem ... the distance .... like in the TTs.... but IF he manage, he also got a pretty desent sprint so ... and doesn't the jersey also give 15% extra power :D ( Voeckler TdF 2011 :D )

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 10.May 10:36, 2018
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headwind eh. that gives rohan a decent chance to hang on. could still lose the pink on bonus seconds though

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 09:22, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Etna today .... 30 km 5-6% ish isn't it .... I see Axelgaard have TD on the top of his favourite list ... i gotta say i was a little surprised about that ... I was expecting to see Pinot there considering his strong performances in Trentino .... seems like a safe bet since we really don't know how TD climbs this season, and Lopez and Froome seems to have some problems .... but the headwind, which increases the chances for a small favourite group sprint, plays a huge part of the prediction today ....... still i have Pinot slightly ahead of most... the head wind is good for Froome also I will say ... his current form seems to get alot of problems today if the conditions were better for some offensive riding.... I guess we can say the same thing about Lopez, although he could need to win some back :D
Well, anyway ... let's see who's loosing the Giro today :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 10.May 08:36, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Becaus of the crash that hooked up Pozzovivo and Viviani ? ... well, anyway... we will never get answers to our little sprint discussion yesterday :D ... too bad, i was a little curious about that :D ... an extra spice to it ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 23:08, 2018
All the strong sprinters were burnt off well before the finish.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:50, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Schachmann is so strong at this moment. And he has won mountain stage in Aosta before so maybe he will do like Jungels did in 2016 and climb very well in the race

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Eeeeh.... Pozzovivo 9th :D:D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:37, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
There my Lulu bet is worth zero. Lopez and his crashes...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:30, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
We have a co commentator... Stig Kristiansen ... former national team chief ... he knows what he is talking about, no question there ... but I gotta laugh . .. if he sees a Sunweb in the back or in the front or what ever ... it's always a Laurens Ten Dam guess :D .... I think he just looooove to say that name :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:28, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pozzovivo caught back of course, he is coming back, but costing some energy

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:26, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Schachmann crashed again, but 10 km earlier today if that is any consolation

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:26, 2018
Yea, think he was hurt more than he is letting on when he pranged his bike before the ITT.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:22, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome need to do something soon, tomorrow can be decisive according to hobby meteorologist Pozzovivo. With same legs as yesterday he gonna lose the race at Etna.

I see Lotto have faith in Wellens today also, but not sure if this is a finish for him.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:16, 2018
Froome has a big toot, then there is only one winner :) And justifies my 150(do also have Viviani at 125).

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:14, 2018
But I do in Fantasy game. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 17:13, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Or to go with you a little bit here Arago ... Viviani SHOCK and justifies my 125 ranking of him big time :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 17:12, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
But I don't got Bilbao on my team here ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 17:02, 2018
Or Bilbao? It is a wide open stage, think the favourite was Battaglin @ 8/1.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 16:58, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
No go at Lulu attack?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 16:54, 2018
I have a vision of Mohoric soloing down the last descent in that unique position of his, and taking the win up the final hill. ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I back him up with a classic Mohoric attack :D .... or even a sprint ...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Goncalves is my bet for this one :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 16:16, 2018
Opinions goon, that is what makes it interesting. Be a bit dull if we all had the same ones. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 16:06, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Those 100 meters is crucial by the way .. that's where the pack splits up, and thats when you loose the wheel in front of you ... ... if it's just those 100 meters and flat, they mean nothing ... but in the midle of a climb,they're crusial ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 15:59, 2018
Sam Bennett did finish forty something yesterday, but was also one of the four who broke away with Wellens. He went pop half way up the steepest part with less than a kilometre to go. By far the best climbing performance I have seen from him before.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 15:52, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
So Modolo then ... i agree him ... not the others here ... not even Bennett with his 40 something yesterday...

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 15:48, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
With 1 km togo ... half of it descending ? ... and upwards again towards the finishline . .. well, if a sprinter manage to win that, i upgrade him to a classics sprinter :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 15:18, 2018
The 12% is only approx. 100 metres long. Sam Bennetts performance yesterday would have to give him a chance today imo. Modolo on a good day might also be able to handle it.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 9.May 14:55, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pretty climby last half though ... and the 1.2 km last climb got a max gradient of 12% ... 6% average with 1 km togo ... no sprinter survives that ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 9.May 14:05, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
I can agree that the finish today is not that hard, but still Kuba! Haha

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 9.May 14:03, 2018
Carlton says today's finish is not as hard as yesterdays, and Mareczko could be involved in the finish. So get your money on boys. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 18:56, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Markup need like an angry poodle :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 8.May 18:38, 2018
Thought we were going to be in for a real treat when UAE started ripping it up with 102km to go. Perhaps after achieving exactly nothing today, they may have another go tomorrow, only this time persist with the effort. Can only hope. #excitingracing :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 18:36, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pozzovivo 9th today .... hereby announced as all time most reliable rider :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 8.May 17:39, 2018
Zeits splits the favourite pack. Let's see who's been caught up.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 8.May 15:50, 2018
Andrea Guardini DNF. The moment they leave asia :D :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 8.May 09:43, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Goncalves in Pink after today ? He needs to win plus a 3 sec gap to Dennis... not impossible.... even though I think it would be good for TD to pick up some bonus seconds on a stage like this, it would be weird if they will go back to that responsibility... sunweb were pretty satisfied with letting that go the other day :D .... we'll see what happens ... I got Wellens and Yates at my table becaus Ulissi will have to nurturing Aru today :D .... if not, Ulissi looks like a good bet ...

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 7.May 23:08, 2018
Hi Coolietje - apologies, we’ll work on amending the text for GTs with an extra rest days, like this. Sorry, and hope you still derive enough pleasure to have a go again for further GTs where you’ll be at a totally level playing field.

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 7.May 22:51, 2018
I don't have precise info about Ciccone, but probably was one of the guys who punctured in the final km and couldn't come back (the same happened to Sabatini who wasn't there for Viviani)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 7.May 22:48, 2018
I asked this question Coolietje earlier on this thread. Fifth post it was. Bit of a piss off for you seeing it now, I know. But worth remembering for future GT's that any early rest day does not count in the manager game.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 22:25, 2018
Sigh... maybe a good idea to clarify that next time (it says at the two restdays altough there are three this giro and it was not clear for me the first wouldn’t count), cause now i can forget a good result!

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Monday 7.May 21:41, 2018
We don't change at this rest day, we change at the other 2. The link to change will be available at some point at the weekend.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 21:36, 2018
I thought we could change at the restdays (so every monday), i would like to put some punchers in... i tried but it doesn’t work...

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Monday 7.May 18:09, 2018
You can change on the next race day. You will be able to make the changes closer to then.

Coolietje [Fantastico] Monday 7.May 17:51, 2018
How can i change my team?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 7.May 09:07, 2018
I really only watched the last 15 ks yesterday and missed that. Was he involved in a mishap?

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 7.May 02:16, 2018
Ciccone losing 5 min and officially out from any top 10/white jersey ambition

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Sunday 6.May 21:48, 2018
Anything but Viviani’s surefire sprint wins too uncertain to drop a GC-guy for me :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 6.May 21:39, 2018
Ulissi was close to be part of my team, there were 5 to 6 names to Rohan's place.
For me, he should be the most obvious and not Dennis, Wellens, José or Sanchez. My decision to not bet on him was Aru's presence here, i want to believe Diego will be essential to suport Fabio.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 6.May 21:36, 2018
If the Giro is looking to do starts in diplomatic nightmares, they should start from the Movistar team bus next year :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Sunday 6.May 21:32, 2018
Next handful of stages have a whiff of Ulissi if he’s come to play - still the rider in the bunch with most stage wins here.

Also - Ben Hermans foregoing a certain 9th in order to stage hunt and KOM, or just crap form?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 21:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
We got some good names for a finish like this ... Henao should be mention among top 3 favourites in this field, but that won't happen ... I hope for a offensive by Pinot ... you know, to test the field and legs ...otherwice I guess Wellens slides up as the man to beat on Tuesday, Goncalves is on a monster form these days ... of the obvious GC guys i guess Woods maybe, Yates/Chaves even TD.... maybe a smart move by him picking up some bonus seconds on a stage like this ... we'll see :))

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 6.May 20:45, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
tomorrow is the "rest day" where they move the race from israel to italy. (saudi arabia in 2020?) but the lumpy stage 4 will hopefully be interesting to watch

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 6.May 20:40, 2018
Tomorrow's stage looks like one for whatever puncheurs happen to be in this race.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 6.May 17:52, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
That's what Tomas meant. Not DQ from race, but declassified today and a fine of course.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 6.May 17:47, 2018
Probably not DQ, but regulated and a fine would make sense.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 16:53, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
And Dennis manage to keep the jersey for the first time :))

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 16:51, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Maybe not since he still couldn't win .... but dangerous riding should be punished

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 6.May 16:50, 2018
Beat me to it Tomas. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 6.May 16:49, 2018
Bennett must be close to a DQ?

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 6.May 16:48, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
Wonder how long they will take to decide a stage DSQ for Sam Bennett.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 6.May 14:43, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
also ass: pls find out the bday of marko polanc. i should have the season fantasy team with highest average age, but with no input he is calculated as 2018 years old as if he is god's son

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 6.May 14:40, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Maybe he has texted him already? :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 14:30, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Congratz to Kreutziger and Ventoso also .... wow ... 6th of May... big cycling birthday day :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 14:27, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What the hell Assassin ...
You pay 80 for Polanc, but doesn't bother to congratulate him on his birthday?? :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 6.May 09:15, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
I agree everything except Campenaerts .... I think he was in the mix for the intermediate sprint...at least he was up there for some reason i only can believe was the pink jersey ... He also speak wearing pink for a couple of days as one of his goals for this Giro

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 6.May 02:56, 2018
The Dennis in pink affair was an agreement in the peloton I think. Too perfect, let the breakaway just sprint for the KOM, than take them back and Dennis beating Viviani in a sprint without neither Campanerts or Doumulin contesting.
Probably BMC was the team more willing to invest energy in controlling the race to keep it until Etna

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 5.May 19:56, 2018
That's the entire reason I have Dennis on my team. Granted at 75%, but still there. I've also got Vivianni at 100% and truthfully haven't decided on rather I'm keeping him for the entire race or swapping him out later as there seems to be a few sprint stages all the way through this year's Giro. Dennis is on my team strictly for the opening ITT and the hope of pink for a day or two. He's got a good shot at being in it at the end of tomorrow as well.
I'm of the opinion that Vivianni let Dennis get those time bonuses so he could get the pink.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 5.May 17:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Quick step's 28th win this season :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 5.May 15:41, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
:O :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 5.May 15:40, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Dennis in Pink ... couldn't do it yesterday, so why not beat Viviani in a sprint ... nicely done .... even though I think Viviani was a nice guy :D

BartVelo [BartVelo] Friday 4.May 20:09, 2018
It depends on the sprint teams tomorrow. Sunweb won't have a problem to let a group without GC contenders go and won't chase them. So it will be up to the Wolfpack I guess if they want Viviani to win and to keep Dumoulin in pink.

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 4.May 20:00, 2018
Dumoulin already making more difference than I thought. Considering the manager this early jersey might be worth a lot of points, it's possible for him to keep it until Zoncolan

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 19:59, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Like we all did i guess ... i even put him on 100 to have a big spot for some week 2 guys .. same strategi with Viviani on 125 ... it doesn't feel like the best choice right now i must admit :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 4.May 19:35, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
I snagged Rohan just to get him in pink from day 1 ..

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 19:18, 2018
Dennis had me worried - however Tom D making sure no jersey points lost by omitting Boring Rohan :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 15:20, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
If you wonder who won GTs and like an overview over the last 19 winners, from vuelta 2011, you go into Adam Hansens profile and push grand tours :D ... there you got it on one plate :D

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 14:12, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
:D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 4.May 14:06, 2018
Carlton has fooled me. TV now on mute.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 13:40, 2018
Vai Formolo!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 4.May 13:36, 2018
Won already. No Carlton Kirby in the commentators box.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 4.May 13:15, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
It's kind of problematic closing it also - since we have people that have seen our deadline @13:50 and might come in now to change their team. Deadline changed to 13:30, and a new topline on the site in place.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 4.May 12:56, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
rohan dennis starts at 13:31 norwegian time

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 12:55, 2018
Someone didn't know the conversion from IDT ;)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 12:54, 2018
Giro has started. Who chose the closing time? :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 4.May 12:54, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
the race has started. manager closing time off by 1 hour...

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 12:22, 2018
That's it - recon-crash Froome out from #IlPiccoloPartykjepps

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 09:47, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
What I like about Pinot ... besides his offensive ways, is that he is so good learning things, and improve things he is terrible at ... like his descending.. his early TT's, and now he got this combination issue ... let's see if he improved that as well . .. I think he has :))

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 4.May 09:41, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Pinot by the way ... will be very interesting to see him today ... we all know he is incapable of climb well and TT well at the same time ... and as you said Kjepp, it IS time for Pinot to win something huge ... an extra careful eye on pinot today :))

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 08:50, 2018
No - lets dub it a "transfer day" rather than rest day #MoneyGrabbingExercise

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 4.May 08:06, 2018
No trade on the first rest day or?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 4.May 00:33, 2018
I will be putting my money alongside my big gob - I actually now is the time for mr.Pinot to win his first GT!

As I expect/hope the weight of Froome's travails will make him either crack or crash out, biggest enigma for me manager-wise is Esteban Chaves.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 3.May 22:59, 2018
Velogames team done!

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 3.May 21:40, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
This is by far the quickest GT game I've ever sat ... the team I got right now is the same I sat 10 days ago or something like that ... before studying parcours or read prevews ... actually, I have barely done any of those things this time ... This team made itself ... let's see how that turns out :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 3.May 21:17, 2018
As Epo said it's about 5 minutes to build a team., like in cobblestone.be

Here, it's where really matters and it takes HOURS OR DAYS to some races like this one.

Dennis? Chavez? Wellens? Leon? G. Bennet? Great Elia? Formolo? Ulissi?... :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 3.May 21:13, 2018
I'll be there

Nathan [CT Glory] Thursday 3.May 17:31, 2018
24th Winter Fantasy Overall
League Code: 434449312 :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 3.May 17:08, 2018
4th Winter Fantasy Overall
i took 5 mins to create a Velogames team last night when FC was down. if there are more of us then we could create a private league

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 2.May 19:37, 2018
For the sprinter is one of the worst field ever to the Giro: Viviani, Bennett, Van Poppel, Modolo, Nizzolo and Marezcko. Only Viviani with real support.
I think that we may see more breakaway than usual succeding

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 2.May 14:26, 2018
But not reserves, unless one of your first choice nine DNS.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 2.May 14:16, 2018
It does.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 2.May 05:41, 2018
I've also done the Froomeless GT team to great disaster. Of course my Tour team last summer was a total disaster due to Valverde's injury on stage one. At the moment I have Froome as a reserve rider. LOL
On the other hand I keep toying with the idea of Viviani in one of my top 3 spots, but then remember that you get overall points at the end for where guys finish if you haven't swapped them out. Does that count all the way through the field?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 22:12, 2018
All the cool kids with Geniez, Carapaz and Grosssssssssschartner

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 1.May 21:54, 2018
16th Winter Fantasy Overall
All the cool kids run with Viviani @150.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 21:47, 2018
I'm considering going Froome-less like I've done in a couple of GTs before, to disastrous effect.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.May 21:44, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Talking about Sky, their Giro-captain has never finished the Giro. I know Uran has podium as Sky-rider, but then Wiggo was the captain and Uran even had to wait on Wiggo at one stage. Can Froome break that trend this year?

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 1.May 21:15, 2018
I'm hoping Astana and Michelton-Scott can find a way to break Sky. In 2015 Movistar/Tinkoff teams proved it could be done, but it takes a collaborative effort.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 20:35, 2018
To me it looks like the reduction in team-size to 8 men means teams with any GC ambition become even more singular in bringing mountain domestiques rather than devoting 2-3 riders for possible sprint podiums.

Viviani, Bennett and Danny van Poppel only of the top 15 sprinters to show up, and Viviani the only with proper support - he should mop up victories here and pass Ulissi as the competing rider with most stage wins by the end.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 19:43, 2018
Climbs look bit steadier than usual, tilting it more towards the stronger TTers. On the other hand, Lopez has an absolute belter of a team, so here's hoping Astana can give a similar kind of team performance as in 2015 and catch Sky and Sunweb out on medium mountain stages like the 15th. Michelton-Scott also have a knack for trying more long-range stuff like that too.

Sunweb somewhat stronger mountain domestique-wise than last year - but Ten Dam/Ooomen/Vervaeke ain't no match for the collective machines of Sky, Astana and Michelton-Scott.

In the youth/approaching full-scale breakout department I'll be looking closely at the performances of Vendrame, Mohoric, Ciccone, Neilants, Haig, Carapaz, Schachmann, O'Connor, Bouwman, Oomen, Eg and Pedersen.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 19:04, 2018
Give that man a coconut ! :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 18:32, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Froome
Lopez
Pinot
Chaves
Dumoulin
Viviani
Dennis
Woods
Aru
Bennett
Pozzo
Yates and LLS as 13th guy ... I bet I'm spot on :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 18:21, 2018
Just gone through the parcours. Looks like it will be won by how you split up your team, how many sprinters(if any) etc. I'm also looking at about a dozen on first thoughts anyway, and I dare bet we have most of the same riders in common. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 18:09, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Is it just me, or is this a relatively easy start list to work with .... I got 12 crucial names only ... maybe 13 ... Louis Leon has been great :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 16:07, 2018
Thanks goon.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 1.May 16:00, 2018
14th Winter Fantasy Overall
Correct... after 9 stages first chance for recovery changes :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 15:57, 2018
Currently going through the parcours. Presumably the first Monday, May 7th does not count as a rest day for the manager game?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 1.May 15:13, 2018
Please God don't let Carlton Kirby be one of British Eurosports commentators for the Giro. If he is I will be watching with the TV on mute. I have had enough of his inane tips and tasty side bets. And all his jokes and innuendos repeated for the nth time.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.May 02:00, 2018
7th Winter Fantasy Overall
Since he never wins in Europe it should almost be no return at that.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 1.May 01:29, 2018
I've put money on Kuba not winning a stage. Not a huge stake, but a 28% return is what a low-cost index fund would take about 4 years to return in good economic currents.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Monday 23.Apr 23:16, 2018
Giro giro giro! Just a word - we'll be doing our special fantasy GT-competition for this for those who want something more dynamic than just the main game:
http://firstcycling.com/forathread.php?f=6197

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