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Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 26.Oct 21:14, 2017
Btw: I thought we where in a norwegian section when I answered you last time :P :)

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Thursday 26.Oct 17:35, 2017
vi skulle hatt vinterfantasy ja, er vel fortsatt tid igjen til sesongstart ;)

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 26.Oct 16:15, 2017
Vel, jeg tenker at det skal være for superbrukerne våre - så uansett hvor lyst en ny bruker har til å delta så lander han/henne ikke på toppen lista. Derfor er jeg skeptisk til austrlia-mannen, ikke pga tidssoner men av nevnte argument (blandet meg ikke siden admiralen talte så vent og vakkert ;) ).


Når vi snakker fantasy og forslag: det en skulle hatt var vinter fantasy. På kryss og tvers av alle sporter - basert på verdenscuppoenger.

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Thursday 26.Oct 16:08, 2017
forslag til sesongfantasyen som kan vurderes om det fortsetter å dukke opp nye aktuelle deltagere. Og det er å dele inn i to divisjoner med en topp divisjon bestående av ca 20 lag som har eksisterende regelverk, mens alle nye lag både i inneværende og framtidige sesonger må starte i divisjon to, med et betydlig mindre budsjett. Så kan vi ha ett opprykk/nedrykk system der de 2 eller 3 dårligste rykker ned fra divisjon 1 og samme oppover. Vi sikrer oss også langt bedre mot at lag kun deltar en sesong eller to og vi unngår en ekstrem inflasjon.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 20.Oct 13:13, 2017
Time seems good, but I can't guarantee anything that far in advance. If not, I will pass a long list on to the mods :)

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 18.Oct 17:23, 2017
Draft order for pre-draft will be drawn by randomization at 19:59 CET on December 1st, so no one knows in advance.

I'll assign our new managers numbers 1-7 and will have Excel do a random (RANDBETWEEN;1;7) draft to decide order.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 18.Oct 11:13, 2017
...and to think I almost used the funds freed up by Kuba+Esteban getting stolen to steal Bonifazio - his trajectory the last few years has not been as I've hoped.

Should not be a problem, FruitnOats. December 1st at 20:00 CET if that suits enough of the other new managers.

Transfers can be announced as soon as pre-draft is over, Andy.

Remi [LSK Cycling] Wednesday 18.Oct 10:47, 2017
Some riders will leave LSK Cycling in the end of season.

Bonifazio
SHE
Palini
Ponzi
Wackermann

Best of luck to all of you finding new teams to destroy!

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Wednesday 18.Oct 09:51, 2017
If it is alright with everyone @Partykjepp, could the draft be moved to 20:00 CET so then it is more practical for me to get up (very early) and don't need to pull an all nighter. After that, I can jump on Zwift or go back to bed, depending on how I feel. :V

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 17.Oct 22:31, 2017
They have a month on them, so even if December 1 doesn't work, they should be able to finish before January. But when can we start posting transfers?

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 17.Oct 22:28, 2017
Given pre-draft early December works for new managers, then yes.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 17.Oct 22:26, 2017
So deadline for new contracts will be November 30?

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 17.Oct 22:23, 2017
Yes! So all new managers are ready. Bendit and Remi have yet to post they're pushing on, but I'm pretty certain about both. Still, if anyone talk to them on a daily basis, please double check on my behalf.

New managers:
Pre-draft starts December 1st 19:00 CET unless that doesn't work for more than half of you
Given there is no stealing in pre-draft, sending a list of your preferred picks in descending order (with wage) will work if you can't be around for it

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 17.Oct 22:09, 2017
I JOIN THE GAME !

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 17.Oct 20:12, 2017
There will be an own thread for the draft, where you write draft number, rider, wage and length contract.

sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 17.Oct 20:11, 2017
We can set the wage we want for the draft picks? The amount of money we gave them makes them harder to steal but increase the penalty on their points scored and reduces our budget right?
Also how many pre draft pick we would get and where can I find the list of the raiders available?

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Tuesday 17.Oct 12:51, 2017
Thank you and can't wait. I am sure the riders and the union will look forward to a generous pay increase.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Tuesday 17.Oct 11:31, 2017
Welcome to the new managers.

If you allow me, one simple advice:
There is a bunch of 25 to 30 riders available that can give you ALL the chance to build very strong teams.
Nibali, Froome, Kittel, Cav, Yates bros, Landa, EBH, Naesen, Bakelants, Kelderman, T. Martin, just to mention a few...
Don't spare the budget when chosing those riders (and others) or else you will see your teams attacked like seals by sharks...

Good luck, waiting for the remains...:)

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 16.Oct 19:50, 2017
Aragonite: once the main draft starts, riders on new teams are subject to the same rules as all other teams - so can be stolen at doubling current wage (or 4x if U23-rider)

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 16.Oct 19:36, 2017
Good to hear, not gunna lie, i would resign immediately if i lost Polanc or Rivera from my team :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 19:33, 2017
And, I might have read it wrong, but don't think you old timers are allowed to steal from us newcomers. But as I said, you can rest easy.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 19:29, 2017
To be honest Assassin I wouldn't have the heart. Don't want to give you nightmares.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 16.Oct 19:06, 2017
I will steal him back for $56 anyway :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 16.Oct 19:04, 2017
:(

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 19:03, 2017
Bargain.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 16.Oct 19:00, 2017
:D U can't roast me. And i pay Polanc $14 so u gotta steal for $28.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 18:58, 2017
We roast southerners alive up here. And foreigners don't fare too well either, try googling Hartlepool and the monkey.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 16.Oct 18:22, 2017
Steal Polanc and i will come to Durham and i won't spare u :D

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 16.Oct 18:16, 2017
I?d watch it, Aragonite - I?m so ruthless I even released Pozzovivo.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 16.Oct 17:34, 2017
As long as you don't steal my Norwegian wonderboy, nobody going to declare war on you

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 17:25, 2017
If I can't get Polanc off Assassin. The other two riders I would be interested in as team leaders would be Nairo Quintana and Matteo Trentin. Any idea who owns them? As I said I have plenty of the necessaries.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 17:16, 2017
Another pungen type joke?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 16.Oct 17:11, 2017
You should be reading me and Logreid's currencies discussions. I even wondered about paying Dayer in his own currency (that joke only works for Norwegians...)

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 16.Oct 17:08, 2017
Season fantasy is where friendships are either forged or wrecked, Aragonite :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 17:07, 2017
Naira had to google that one. Logreid win the Nigerian lottery?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 16.Oct 16:56, 2017
Only shekels? Logreid pays in naira to his star rider. I however of course prefer the Luxembourgish franc

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 16:06, 2017
How much do you pay Polanc, Assasssin? I'm very interested in making him team leader. And I have lots of shekels.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Oct 16:02, 2017
Apologies if I've been a bit slow out of the blocks. Been busy. Yes I'd like to play.
Just wondering how people take 'steals'? Not really on here to make enemies!

Nathan [CT Glory] Monday 16.Oct 15:35, 2017
Cool, welcome to the newb-club Kobalt :)

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 16.Oct 12:57, 2017
Great to have you onboard, FruitnOats - looking forward to King Lok Cheung being your first draft.

Also, I think there was a question earlier:
Stealing between new managers is not allowed in pre-draft, picks can only be used on unattached riders

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Monday 16.Oct 12:48, 2017
Understood, count me in. I will do what I can, consider my team as the beginning of Orica-Scott/Greenedge

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 15.Oct 01:48, 2017
I'm in of course!

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 14.Oct 19:50, 2017
Unless Polanc does the Giro-Tour Double :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 14.Oct 19:50, 2017
Well anyone can beat my team so considered me beaten already :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Saturday 14.Oct 19:35, 2017
Can't wait to kick your butts :D

Nathan [CT Glory] Saturday 14.Oct 17:45, 2017
I am in!

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 14.Oct 17:13, 2017
Unless there's any other feedback on changes from proposed format within Monday - we firm things up and find a date to start the pre-draft.

New managers, please confirm:
Fjellda (someone please double-check with him on Twitter/Skype)
JohnJackJoe
Nathan
Sker
SylvainM
Aragonite
FruitnOats - if you're still interested in wrecking your circadian rhythm twice a year

If any of you guys aren't, I've gathered Josedin and Tank might be interested in your place.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 14.Oct 15:10, 2017
All riders released from current managers are available in pre-draft, that?s why the timing of these two events are intertwined.

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 14.Oct 14:23, 2017
All released riders free for drafting also - kind of have to be like that I would say.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 14.Oct 13:46, 2017
youve misunderstood somewhat, zkobalt. the old managers cant sign any new riders before you can. we can negotiate trades, but they wont be finalized before the trading window is opened anyway.
the pre-draft for the newbs will have a decent rider pool for you 7 (?) new managers. all of trym's and protours' riders in addition to the free agents of 2017 will be available. and i think all of the riders released by the old managers ahead of 2018 will also go into the pre-draft?

zKobalt [FruitnOats] Saturday 14.Oct 02:17, 2017
From what I see, a deadline around November seems reasonable. Currently, the existing managers can scour the market and sign the best remaining free agent riders and newly released riders, whilst the new managers are waiting for the draft. Are the riders that the existing managers are releasing going to be entered into the draft or will they be "locked off" until a free agency period which can happen after the new manager expansion draft?

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 13.Oct 21:11, 2017
Also consider that as new manager we might need some extra time to figure out trades. If I understand correcly how it should work I would say we need maybe a week or at least few days from pre draft to draft

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 13.Oct 20:35, 2017
Yeah i think so. Gives managers time after Guangxi to make plans.

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 13.Oct 20:33, 2017
That sounds reasonable and fair.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 13.Oct 19:22, 2017
I think new managers should have a bit more time than 1,5 days but also fair that existing managers get a bit more time to have contract situation for all riders clarified - waiting for word on Floris Gerts myself.

Deadline for extending at end of November and pre-draft early December an ok compromise?

Given most feedback has been on timing for extension, my inference is that the remainder of the posted proposal seems reasonable.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 13.Oct 17:39, 2017
ah ok then, i dont watch american sports

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Friday 13.Oct 17:33, 2017
no not really when Vegas Knights joined NHL before this season they traded a couple of players away in the first 24 hours after the had drafted them.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 13.Oct 16:44, 2017
stealing allowed in the pre-draft, yes?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 13.Oct 16:39, 2017
trading riders one and a half days after drafting them? its a bit unrealistic

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 13.Oct 15:13, 2017
Right in the middle then?

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Friday 13.Oct 14:41, 2017
yes why do something with good time, when you can wait and get bad time? Personally i support to do the contract renewals and increases long before 31/12. Almost every rider in the game have their future ready by now. And then we can use good time with the trading as first proposed.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 13.Oct 14:37, 2017
Fair questions and comments.

Earlier deadline than usual is for pre-draft to be held before transfer window so new managers can parttake in trading to if they'd like - given that people like that way of easing them into the game.

How about:
Deadline for renewals and increases 31st of December as usual
Pre-draft for new managers on evening of January 3rd - gives them 1,5 days to trade their riders
Main draft starting on proposed time on January 5th

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 13.Oct 14:32, 2017
Deadline in October? no 31/12 24:00 like earlier years?

ritlefant [Ritlefant] Friday 13.Oct 14:31, 2017
Why so eager on doing things as early as October: Still 2 months until the next season starts and plenty of time to think, negotiate and plan for the future.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 13.Oct 11:50, 2017
I see a small problem about deadline at the end of October. Not all riders are going to have new contract in a team by then. Retiring riders are easy to solve, but riders who still doesn't have contract by the end December can be released or not? Could be important for managers to know, will be bigger risk to renew riders with unsure future without a such opportunity.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 13.Oct 00:00, 2017
So I've been thinking a bit and my suggestion for timeline and how to best fold our seven (soon to be confirmed) managers into the game is the following:

- Existing managers have to decide whether to renew or release riders on 2017-contracts by the end of October
- Existing managers also get the chance to increase the wage/extend the contract of four riders on 2018-contracts if they like, as per usual. This also has to be done by the end of October
-Our seven new managers will do a pre-draft in early November where they get ten draft picks each from the unattached riders. Draft order will be decided by randomization, but in such a way that we reverse the order from the first round for the final nine, so the manager who gets the first pick in the first round has last pick in the remaining nine
-Our new managers are free to trade the riders they've picked in the pre-draft with all other managers, both new and returning managers. Note that existing managers can't trade riders who had a contract ending in 2017 renewed, a rider can only be traded once per window and riders have to be given at least 75% of their original wage on their new team
-Transfer window opens when pre-draft is done and closes on 19:00 CET on Friday January 5th
-Returning managers get eight drafts each in the main draft, new managers get 12, their final four are done after the first eight rounds where all managers participate

The two disbanding teams release 46 riders, among them some of the biggest stars of the sport. The remaning teams will also be releasing riders, though not perhaps all of the same quality. Stil the number of riders released before the pre-draft should exceed 70 plus also some good riders currently unattached.

10 draft picks plus the chance to trade should both give the new managers a fighting chance in the competition as well as getting some personal favourites in to put their personality on their team. Should also make for an interesting main draft as less quality riders available as free agents should mean more stealing and drama.

Does this seem reasonable?

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