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Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 12.Nov 19:36, 2017
He's not where near what he was at Katusha. Truthfully was very disappointing at Movistar. They specifically brought him in to be there to help Valverde in the Ardennes, but he was no where to be found. However, I do think his experience can be helpful at EF.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Sunday 12.Nov 00:42, 2017
Probably cheap, so good signing for a transitional season. Given the Spanish enclave at EF and the team being put together at the last minute I wouldn't actually be too surprised to see them sign Losada whilst they're at it.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 12.Nov 00:33, 2017
Correct, that is why I don't really understand the transfer. Spanish riders in American team isn't necessary the best deal either. He can actually be more a road captain next year, but he has never hit me as a road captain type of a rider. But Vaughters has many Spanish speaking riders now, so maybe Uran wanted him as a helper.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Sunday 12.Nov 00:29, 2017
Don't think he's still at the level where he'd be able to compete in the punchier races he once excelled in Andy. Woods will be there to contend all the punchy classics Uran won't do, and Moreno will probably be superdomestiqueing Woods for Ardennes, Rigo in the Tour and whoever of those two who go the Vuelta.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 11.Nov 23:53, 2017
He is just not the same rider as he once was. Maybe more chances to ride for his own chances for Vaughters, but can't see he being even close to the Katusha-level he had. Just look at this year's Vuelta, no captain for Movistar and still he was never in the fight and barely saw him for the 3 weeks.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 11.Nov 23:08, 2017
I agree that Moreno can help helpful for Uran. Although I was disappointed with how he raced the last two years with Movistar. Hope he rebounds at EF. I think this is a good signing for them.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 11.Nov 13:00, 2017
Dani Moreno more or less confirmed to EF. It was bound to be this way with the sponsorship issue, a mish-mash of signing whoever's available to see them through 2018 before they start building longterm again. Not that Moreno won''t be useful for Uran and his Spanish-speaking enclave.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 9.Nov 12:53, 2017
Just as you wrote that, Power, Edmondson and Mezgec are confirmed in their squad for next year, but only 25 riders, so they also reduce the size of their team.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 9.Nov 10:17, 2017
Apart from ongoing signings at EF, Orica is the WT-team with the most unresolved contracts with Power, Edmonson, Mezgec and Cheung (Lol). Would assume the first two are certainties, and Mezgec would've probably gotten a deal somewhere else by now if he was actually leaving - capable as last or penultimate leadout.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 6.Nov 21:51, 2017
Don't know if this really belongs here or not, but it's interesting news regardless. This is not pro related or even U-23 related. Movistar and Valverde's amateur team, Valverde Team, have announced today that Movistar will be sponsoring Valverde team.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 4.Nov 06:00, 2017
Franklin Six, nephew of the belated Franck Vandenbroucke, signed a contract at WB-Veranclassic.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 4.Nov 01:07, 2017
Good to see a new platform for Spanish talent to develop on.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 4.Nov 00:30, 2017
Oh one other note although not a World Tour signing.
Sergio Samitier has signed a contract to race for the Pro Continental team Euskadi Murias. Euskadi Murias just announced today they got confirmation from the UCI that their application to become a Pro Conti team for next year was approved. They had previously been a Continental team.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 4.Nov 00:27, 2017
Logreid, good point that Dayer does ride the cobbeled races and Movistar needs riders to ride those races as most of the guys on that team don't want anything to do with those races. You may have found the biggest reason they resigned him.
I would expect Cannondale/EF will sign 2 more riders to bring the roster up to 24 riders. Dani Moreno is a name many are hearing in talks with them.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Friday 3.Nov 12:13, 2017
More victims will follow when the new president have his way with reducing the grand tours with 7 or even 6 riders a team in the future.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 3.Nov 09:39, 2017
Also apparent that several WT-teams are shedding riders due to new rules on squad sizes and size of GT-teams.

There might still be a few signings before the new season, but most teams have announced their final rosters. If we disregard Cannondale/EF given they currently only have 22 riders contracted.

Average squad size at the start of 2017 was 27,8 riders, it's currently 25,8. Sky and Trek have increased their squad by 1, Bora are unchanged and the rest of the team have smaller squads. Biggest changes are BMC, Lotto-Soudal and Orica with 5, 4 and 4 respectively (although Orica will probably announce a couple of renewals given they currently stand at 22 riders). AG2R, Bahrain, Movistar, Quick- Step and Dimension Data currently have reduced their squad size by 3 riders.

Of the few riders leaving WT-teams who are still free agents for next year I'd say Floris Gerts and Julien Berard are victims of these new regulations.


I'd say the following riders have lost their place due to this:
Julien Berard

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 3.Nov 09:23, 2017
Greatest thing about Dayer is that he regularly rides cobbled races.

In this year's family nepotism-ranking™:
Juraj Sagan and Antonio Nibali have been increasingly and surprisingly useful
Dayer Quintana and Sebastian Henao are better riders, but their developement has stalled this season

If only we still had Mario Costa around to boss the ranking..

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 3.Nov 01:57, 2017
Movistar announced today their resigned Dayer Quintana for some reason. For most of us the only reason we can see is to keep Nairo happy.
They also have signed 10 women to start their women's team.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 20.Oct 22:02, 2017
The incredibly unlucky Marc Goos ends his career, according to his Facebook page. Will never be able to ride without pain. Sad story of a great talent

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 10.Oct 03:01, 2017
Movistar renewed contracts today with Anacona and Betancur. (I knew both their contracts were up, however I didn´t think they would resign Anacona. Wasn´t sure about Betancur as he´s actually shown some signs of his potential this year. Who knows, maybe a reward to for finally learning that weight matters in cycling.)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 4.Oct 12:32, 2017
Burgos is setting up a pretty nice squad for a possible new PCT team. From todays Burgos newspaper:

New signings: Mamykin(from Katusha), Diego Rubio(Caja Rural), Mendes, Herklotz (both Bora), Ezquerra (Sporting), Jordi Simon (Funvic), Sessler (lizarte), Langellotti (UC Monaco)

Renewed: Torres, Cubero, Merino, Salas, Robredo. Lopez

Negotiations: Gonzalez (Murias) and Prades (Caja)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 3.Oct 16:34, 2017
Hodeg signs on as neo with Quick Step. I'll be following him closely.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 2.Oct 13:34, 2017
I wouldn't be surprised if they're testing the B-sample again at some different lab. At least that's one possible scenario

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Monday 2.Oct 13:26, 2017
More than 3 months, more than 100 days and André Cardoso still waiting for a veredict...
It seems B sample was in his favour but that's not my point now.

He has a life to carry on and he simply doesn't know what he can do!..

Shame!

P.S. Sorry the off topic, didn't want to open one for this...

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 29.Sep 17:57, 2017
Well Valverde will have a team for the Ardennes. For the cobbled classics they still have Erviti, Barbaro and Bennati.
Valverde also made a comment about most likely racing a classics heavy spring schedule next year, so who knows exactly what he's planning however he keeps saying he's going to race Flanders, plus this means he should also be back racing both Strade Bianche and Milan-San Remo.

Nathan [CT Glory] Friday 29.Sep 15:45, 2017
Skujins to Trek and Modolo to Cannonfail.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 29.Sep 15:36, 2017
They have Erviti

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Friday 29.Sep 15:33, 2017
Movistar will skip the classics completely?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 29.Sep 09:13, 2017
Matvei Mamykin has signed with Burgos BH :D :D

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 29.Sep 00:53, 2017
Movistar has signed Rafael Valls for next season. (Another Spanish climber.)

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 28.Sep 01:30, 2017
Well Cannondale has finally announced a signing for next year. They have signed Logan Owen.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Tuesday 26.Sep 18:01, 2017
The person with the most Dutch name possible isn't even Dutch!

Nathan [CT Glory] Tuesday 26.Sep 15:07, 2017
Willem Smit to Katusha is quite surprising!

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 26.Sep 11:57, 2017
But what about Cannondale? Do they really have a sponsor for next season since still no signings there?

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 26.Sep 11:49, 2017
I shouldn't read CyclingFever's page with morning eyes, sorry for squinting. He was surprisingly frisky in Amstel.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 26.Sep 11:24, 2017
Gogl just renewed with Trek to 2019

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 26.Sep 11:14, 2017
Mamykin non-renewal with Katusha is slightly surprising. Disappointing season, but still bundles of potential. Gogl should be a prospect for Cannondale in their current situation.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 23.Sep 01:35, 2017
True Cannondale is in pretty bad shape. They don't have the U-23 teams in the US to even try to pluck riders from like Movistar has in Spain.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 23.Sep 00:04, 2017
The fact that rebooted Cannondale have yet to announce any new signings yet is worrying, especially with van Baarle going to Sky. Not exactly many great riders left on expiring contracts and most big talents from development ranks snapped up too. And their current roster for 2018 is about ten riders?

They'll end up looking threadbare in a lot of races no matter who they sign from the remaining talent pool now.

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 22.Sep 23:13, 2017
Today Movistar has announced the signing of Jaime Castrillo from the U-23 team Lizarte. They are going to have a very young team next year and I think will be able to field an actual U-23 team in races if they really want to.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 14.Sep 12:08, 2017
Flavio Zappi has made wonders with the shoestring budget they presumably have. Recently Zappi boys took a clean sweep (1,2,3) on a Italian junior race and now to top it off his ex-rider James Knox is moving to Etixx. Of course Team Wiggins has played a huge role as well but it all started from Zappi's school and it seems that he's pretty good at what he does.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 12.Sep 09:20, 2017
One season and they're out I guess. JV will find a way to fuck it up

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 11.Sep 21:10, 2017
Aren't EF one of the major company who organize english learning holidays for foreign students? If so it's a fairly big sponsor, but probably not a committed one if doesn't benefit their revenues

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 11.Sep 00:06, 2017
It is not an unknown company, but the reason I know about them isn't just positive for the company, so make sense to team up with JV then.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 10.Sep 23:22, 2017
Thanks for the info on EF Education First. It is a huge company. Well now that they are sponsoring a team more people are going to hear of them. :) I was having a hard time finding much about them, but also didn't have a lot of time when I looking them up. Just found they have a headquarters in Mass. Guess that would be their US base headquarters. Glad to see someone new come into the sport.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Sunday 10.Sep 20:35, 2017
They used to have a boat competing in the Whitbread-boat race when Norway had a competitor in the mid-to-late nineties.

That Powless is signing elsewhere is not a good sign for Cannondale's continued travails.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Sunday 10.Sep 19:43, 2017
It's EF Education First. It's a swedish founded company that has it's headquarters in Switzerland now.

They are active in over 50 countries and have over 45000 employees. Rather big for a company I never heard off^^

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 10.Sep 19:36, 2017
Some more signings news. Neilson Powless has signed a 2 yr contract with Lotto NL Jumbo.

Oh and Cannondale has a new sponsor for the next three years. Don't remember the name off the top of my head, but it's an education company in Massachusetts.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 5.Sep 23:44, 2017
Shame the bulldog lost his fight, but realistically I couldn't see him eclipsing his win in the Dauphine by going better than his 5th place in last year's Vuelta in another GT. Just too inconsistent.

Reflects badly on Cannondale who'll be a GC-leader down even if they scrape through, can't help but think their current travails had an impact on Talansky's decision, having just had his first kid.

Tejay and Talansky are spent forces as far as far as GC in GTs go, never having accomplished more than fifth. Craddock and Dombrowski aren't coming through as they might have looked once, and Adrien Costa is currently stalling over his future post Chad Young's death. Looks like the dearth of US cycling post-Lance will be of Mosiac porportions.

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 5.Sep 19:29, 2017
Andrew Talansky announced his retirement today.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Monday 4.Sep 11:48, 2017
So Unzue has announced Jaime Castrillo for Movistar in 2018 and has hinted at another rider from Lizarte which might be Samitier. Rumours were correct.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 1.Sep 15:15, 2017
But Sky and talent hasn't been the right match so far.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 1.Sep 11:59, 2017
Lawless to Sky. They are signing amazing talent this off-season.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 31.Aug 22:47, 2017
Spain has had trouble at the developmental level since the economy crashed. At the pro level Movistar survived that, but that was really it. Caja Rural was formed after the financial crisis and those are the top two pro teams in Spain. There are a few Continental teams and a few U23 teams, but not many. I know Valverde talked about trying to find U23 teams for a couple of his Juniors that aged out of his team not being an easy thing to do. He was asked if he would add a U23 team to his team and he said he would like to, but he needs a lot more sponsorship to be able to do that. Without the funding he can't afford to add a U23 team to his team.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:46, 2017
Trust me, that is nationwide now.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:44, 2017
The Nickname Drugby tells you the issue :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:43, 2017
We have a lot of crime :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:41, 2017
Durham is a seriously beautiful city. Google some pics. No nothing about Rugby, apart from it doesn't have a league football club, or a horserace track.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:36, 2017
haha nice, probably better than mine. Never been to Durham but i imagine it would have to put up something special to be worse than Rugby.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:34, 2017
You've told me yours. I'm from Durham City.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:32, 2017
Haha ok fair enough. Rugby :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:31, 2017
Only know football clubs, and horserace tracks. Warwick?

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:27, 2017
Drop down 1 more

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:26, 2017
My geography sucks. Coventry?

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:23, 2017
Go a bit more south east-ish

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:22, 2017
Brum?

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:22, 2017
Not quite :D I'll give you a clue, somewhere in the midlands

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:20, 2017
Not Royston Vasey?

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:17, 2017
hehe no hind legs anywhere :D I'm from a much worse place than Wales :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:16, 2017
No hind legs in the front of your wellies?

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:15, 2017
I can confirm there are no sheep on my premises :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 31.Aug 18:14, 2017
Only in his dreams

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:13, 2017
You Welsh Assassin?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:13, 2017
Crazy, crazy sums of money being thrown around.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:09, 2017
Sanches to Swansea = great for Swansea

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 18:09, 2017
Yeah i see :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 31.Aug 18:04, 2017
Premier League transfers going nuts. Deadline day.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 31.Aug 11:58, 2017
The european financial crisis was very impactful on the spanish amateur/U23 scene. Look at how it hit the pros, but the development structure below got hit even worse. So the financial means are not there yet in comparison to the other big development teams in europe. THe situation is getting better with Fundacion, Euskadi, Fundacion Contador, Aldro and Lizarte joining in more and more races outside of Spain. One problem is also the length of the races in Spain. They tend to be at least 25% shorter than the big races in europe. This leads to a very good and competitive racing scene in Spain, but when these riders compete with the rest of Europe the race only really starts at a distance that they have rarely raced in Spain. That is also one of the reasons, spanish riders have a longer adaptation phase in general to the professional circuit. Just adapting to the intesisty and length of the races alone takes a season.

I think it will be better in future.

http://johnpeloton.com/2017/07/136

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 31.Aug 10:51, 2017
Spanish cycling is at difficult state. Ruben Fernandez and Soler have both won Avenir and this year there were no team from Spain at all. And to think that both have still long way ahead to even get to the AYates -level, who was 2nd overall when Fernandez won. Tough times ahead after this superstar era calls it a career.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 31.Aug 10:39, 2017
hehe well Aosta was the only good event he has been in this year so not really much i can judge on :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 31.Aug 08:55, 2017
You can't judge him by his results at Aosta. Lizarte sent Samitier into the break on at least 2 days. He did a lot of work and he's not a real climber. In regards of the Copa de Espana he can climb, but he's more of a puncheur that likes undulating courses and can sprint. Castrillo is the climber with a big motor apparently. I can see why Movistar seems to be set on Castrillo, but is waiting and unsure on Samitier.

I'm still hoping the Huesca boys Samitier, Castrillo and Barcelo end up on the same team. Looking at the current spanish U23 scene 3 of the Top 5 prospects are from the Huesca province.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 30.Aug 20:39, 2017
Judging by his performance at Aosta, i don't think Samitier is ready yet.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 30.Aug 19:50, 2017
I could have sworn Anacona signed a 1 yr contract after last year not a two year one.
Not surprised they are looking at bringing on more kids from Lizarte. That team seems to be a feeder team for them. Thanks for the name of the other kid they signed. I knew they had signed a 3rd rider, but didn't know his name.
Good point about an actual Spanish Champions jersey that we never see at Movistar. The current design is horrible at best.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 30.Aug 19:33, 2017
That kid from the (P-)continental team is Eduardo Sepulveda and Winner Anacona still has a contract. Possible further addition is Jaime Castrillo and Sergio Samitier from Lizarte, whereas Castrillo seems safe from the rumours Samitier doesn't yet.

THe best thing about Jesus switching to Cofidis is the chance to finally see a proper spanish NC jersey again. And Jesus Herrada should do well captaining a bunch of Coupe de France races.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 30.Aug 18:40, 2017
I'm a bit surprised by the Herrada brothers leaving, esp to go to a Pro Conti team. Several riders last year that left Movistar specifically said they were leaving because they were not going to continue to deal with Quintana. They´d have enough of him. It appears to more of the same this year, but on a much higher scale. Also Movistar has now lost 6 riders to transfer and 1 to retirement. Moreno should be retiring at the end of the year (when he signed his current contract he said it was his last one), and Movistar does not seem interested in resigning D Quintana, Anacona or Betencur. They have currently signed 3 total riders to replace everyone they are loosing. Landa, Roson, and a kid from a Continental team. There are definitely some problems over there.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 30.Aug 14:14, 2017
The up side for Halvorsen must be that he will be SKYs fastest guy, and it's not a half bad leadout train with Stannard, Rowe, Doull, Dibben, Moscon or what ever will be ..... Looks good for some good results in the desert races already this upcoming spring, and develop as a spring classic specialist in time :)))
I will give it a chance :)))

Regards the optimist :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 30.Aug 11:56, 2017
Unexpected transfer for me, and Movistar continue to lose riders who I thought would stay. Great deal for Cofidis though.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 30.Aug 11:51, 2017
The Herrada brothers are off to Cofidis. Nice little Spanish clique forming there.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 30.Aug 11:28, 2017
makes that transfer even more confusing.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 30.Aug 10:34, 2017
Halvorsen is going to be left in a corner, crying and singing Mad world :D

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 30.Aug 10:30, 2017
Danny van Poppel leaves Sky for Lotto-Jumbo. Good transfer, Sky is no team for sprinters. Everything on Froome for the Tour with all their climbers and TT specialists.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 29.Aug 16:18, 2017
Like Carter Jones

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 29.Aug 16:09, 2017
imo it just shows the gap between US-races and Europe. Someone like Howes is favorite for these same races but on Europe races he's basically been pack fodder/domestique

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 29.Aug 13:00, 2017
wonder why tvetcov cant perform outside of north america

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Tuesday 29.Aug 11:41, 2017
He could just put himself back on American CT scene. I'm sure Rally would take him

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 29.Aug 10:32, 2017
Decent signing for PCT-teams like Fortuneo, Androni and Bardiani.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 29.Aug 10:29, 2017
End of career? Probably WT-career, yes, but why would he stop completely? Or then I've missed some hints of it.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 29.Aug 00:02, 2017
Amezqeuta had a real season in 2015, never really understand what he did in Wilier, maybe breakthrough next season. Caja probably suits him better as Spanish team.

The end of Dombro career if Cannondale folds? Can't see any other WT team interested for the Babygiro winner, he was so good back then and then went to Sky. Fear the same happen to those Sky have signed now.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 28.Aug 21:46, 2017
Caja have signed both Julen Amezqueta and Cristian Rodriguez from Wilier today as well.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 28.Aug 21:42, 2017
Movistar is currently attempting to develop 2 kids into GC riders with Fernandez and Soler and this year's Vuelta is not exactly showing much other than they both have a LOT they still need to learn.
I did see Caja Rural signed a young Spanish Conti rider to their team for next year. Sorry, don't remember his name.
Movistar's only news today is that apparently Valverde is intending on starting next season either in Australia or at Mallorca. They need some riders as they have lost 5-6 riders (Moreno is supposed to be retiring at the end of the season), plus they have at least 2-3 more riders who's contracts are up at the end of the year they don't seem interested in resigning and they have signed a grand total of 2 riders.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 28.Aug 20:04, 2017
Sunweb picking up yet more great neo-pro prospects in Storer and Hindley.

Big question with Sky now is what their medium-term strategy is. Especially Bernal, but also Sivakov and Hart might be long-term replacements - but right now it's a big void behind Froome and Poels/Thomas/Henao/De La Cruz who at best might sneak a top 5 in a Giro or Vuelta. If he's unable to ride the 2018 Tour it'll be like Movistar at this Vuelta. Henao (9th) and De La Cruz (7th) are the only riders in the 2018-squad with a top 10-finish in a GT besides Froome. Next year's signings will probably be the ones to replace Froome as top DAWG from 2019 or 2020 onwards, and currently not a lot of great prospects who'll be just about in their prime then. Quintana? Yatesx2? Aru?

Besides, developing GC-talents is tricky - just look at Dombrowski who was one of the biggest young talents when they signed him.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 28.Aug 13:39, 2017
Indeed, you were right just late :D

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 28.Aug 13:36, 2017
So i was right ? .... :D ... can't wait to see Halvorsen get messed up :D ... he is also SKY man next season ... 4 days old news though :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 28.Aug 13:26, 2017
We can officially add Sivakov to the about to see talent destroyed by Sky list :D

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Sunday 27.Aug 13:43, 2017
Sivakov to Sky is the main reason that BMC Devo stop after this season.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 27.Aug 13:37, 2017
So Bernal confirmed to SKY, not Sivakov ?

The info came 3 seconds after Sivakovs interview about his future .... so I guess I can put it on the acount of confusing info mistakes :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Sunday 27.Aug 13:26, 2017
hehe it's cool

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 27.Aug 13:25, 2017
Not for me .... I just try to fit in ... sorry

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Sunday 27.Aug 13:23, 2017
And Sivakov to Sky been floating around since Baby Giro

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Sunday 27.Aug 13:18, 2017
That's bernal not sivakov :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 27.Aug 13:16, 2017
Wow ... goon ahead on the big news :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 27.Aug 13:14, 2017
So ... Sivakov to SKY :D .... big surprise :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Sunday 27.Aug 13:11, 2017
And seconds after winning l'avenir

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/901762674194870272

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 27.Aug 06:16, 2017
Well here's an even more interesting development. Cannondale has just announced they are looking into crowd funding to raise the money they need for next year to stay instead of folding. I think this might be a first.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 27.Aug 00:33, 2017
Logreid, That sounds good.
If we're going to ask for riders for specific teams here's my request.
I want Phinney at Movistar. He could help make up for some of the TT and flat road guys they've lost, plus he can sprint if they let him. Plus his laid back personality should fit in over there. LOL

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 26.Aug 23:48, 2017
Rolland and Van Baarle to AG2R, please.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 26.Aug 23:42, 2017
Movistar still has 2 time trial specialists. Sütterlin and Oliveria are TT specialists, and we'll see how Valverde is when he gets back, he's improved his TTs a lot since his ban. Although it's not fully their fault with Malori, that's just more bad luck. But why they seem to be reverting back to being a team full of climbers, who knows.

Well with the news from Cannondale, don't think they are signing anyone.
I'd like to see Powless go to Movistar, but truthfully there are times I'm not sure they pay much attention to anyone who isn't a Spaniard.
There are going to be a lot of good riders out of a job if Cannondale does fold and for many there aren't a lot of WT teams with very many openings left. Uran and Carthy shouldn't have any trouble finding rides for next year, but not sure about the rest of them. There are some good riders on that team.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 26.Aug 23:08, 2017
As the saying goes, Vaughters is up a certain creek without a paddle.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 26.Aug 22:29, 2017
Vaughters in big problem now. A major sponsor withdrawn their support for 2018, so all riders free to go.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 25.Aug 10:32, 2017
Signing Powless would be a nice thought Koronin, but i think Cannondale have got the jump on Movistar in that regard

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 25.Aug 08:08, 2017
It's not just the flat work I don't get it why Movistar let's their TT guys go. The TTT is historically important for Spanish teams, including Movistar self and Once, the former rivals of Movistar's predecessors Banesto.

For a good TTT you need guys who can pull it off on the flat. Starting without a bunch of good time trial specialists with maybe some sprinters is the end of your chances on a good result. You need more than just some fast guys, but all top class TTT teams have timie trialists on their teams.

Teams like BMC, QS, Orica and Sky all have made a goal from the TTT. Sunweb performed well in the Vuelta with their team and Lotto-Jumbo can do it very well with the right field as well, partially because of the time trial culture and basis we have here, including Raleigh 35 years ago.

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 25.Aug 03:41, 2017
Movistar also hasn't exactly signed much of anyone for next year either while loosing a bunch of riders. They have resigned 3 of their young riders and brought in Landa. They haven't actually brought in anyone else to replace any of the other 4-5 riders whom they have so far lost this year. Plus they are loosing Dani Moreno to retirement at the end of the year unless he changes his mind. He said when he signed this current contract that he was retiring at the end of it. It appears like they will be going into next year with three top star riders: Valverde, Quintana, Landa, a handful of road captains: Amador, Erviti, Rojas, Benatti, and a ton of very young climbers. Now if Valverde can fully recover from his injuries and be anything like he was before the injury he can win classics and one week races with this type of team and possibly get another podium or two at la Vuelta with this type of team. Landa should also be ok with this type of team, although unlikely he can win a grand tour with it. Quintana is going to struggle with this type of team. He needs a much stronger team, which it does not appear he will be getting. Here's a thought, at the rate Movistar is going right now, maybe we should all try to convince them they need to sign Neilson Powless. He's a nice young climber, he'd fit right now.

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 25.Aug 01:45, 2017
A team of pure climbers is doomed to fail in a GT: is good for stage wins but not really helpful fo GC.
The best domestique for GT is a guy who can be a top 10 racing for himself. That means a climber with good TT skills, if you attack early on the mountains but than you can't pull on the flat you are limited to few stages to gain time.
A guy like Quintana who is weak on TT needs a even stronger team than a guy like Froome

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.Aug 23:26, 2017
Get Alarcon to Movistar. TdF win upcoming

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 24.Aug 23:25, 2017
Yeah, Movistar have some guys who are good on the flat and road captains. Still, the point of their strongest roleurs leaving whilst being replaced by climbers still stands. Over the last two seasons they've lost Castroviejo, Dowsett, Malori (throug no fault of their own), Izagirres, Javi Moreno and possibly Herradas now too.The three TT-specialist have not been replaced, and apart from Landa none of their current new signings are as handy on the flat as the climbers they've lost.

In other words they'll lose more time on TTTs. Sky, Astana, Sunweb, Lotto-NL etc. will be even better placed to drop Movistars captain on stages with echelons or cobbles. Less chance of springing the type of moves which saw Quintana win last year's Vuelta.

These last couple of years Sky have smothered/strangled the Tour through their train of bots. Perhaps the answer to breaking them is to line up a road captain, seven mountain goats and Landa/Quintana at the back and then just go full Volta a Portugal on every climb.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.Aug 23:05, 2017
When is Lawrence announced P-man? And we all know who is captain in Giro 2018, can't be anybody else than almighty Big Ben. Maglia Rosa soon on the wall in Dudelange.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 24.Aug 23:02, 2017
Bico is somewhere between a flat guy and climber. Rojas and has become a better climber as he's gotten older. Bennanti can also climb to a point. He's been pretty good in races like Strade Bianche and Milan-San Remo in the past.
Arcas and Carretero I did forget.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 24.Aug 21:30, 2017
Bico's not really a natural flat guy, he was fairly decent climber at times last year.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 24.Aug 21:13, 2017
You forget Arcas, Carretero, Bennati, Bico and Rojas. Yes the younger three are not on the same level as Sutherland, Malori and Dowsett, but you have to give them a chance for a generation change. The flat team is not as bad as you make it.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 24.Aug 20:59, 2017
It appears Movistar has literally 4 riders on their entire team for flat stages and cobbled classics now. Sütterlin, Barbero, Oliveria and Erviti.
It does appear they are returning to the idea they don't need riders for the flat and can go back to being what they have always been known as....a team of climbers.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 24.Aug 19:40, 2017
Dillier to AG2R is great! Would've been good to see them sign someone experienced who can co-lead the Giro with Frank/Geniez, but spending that money on the classics department is a bold and exciting move.

Looks like one of the riders fitting just that description is off to Israel Cycling Academy to serve as a vindication for their wildcard for the 2018-Giro. I have to say it's a step down for Ben Hermans, but I guess Dylan Teuns has earned his place as a leader for BMC in punchier one-day races and weeklong stage races.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 23.Aug 15:05, 2017
Not as disappointed as Stake Laengen will be drafting behind him.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 23.Aug 14:58, 2017
Disappointing that it was his wife who revealed the news?

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 23.Aug 11:27, 2017
RIP Pozzovivo

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 23.Aug 08:34, 2017
Sütterlin is lonely now, Dowsett leaves Movistar as well, for Katusha.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 18.Aug 15:11, 2017
UAE also got Dan Martin. The Sheiks are starting their dominance

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 18.Aug 15:11, 2017
Movistar losing Rory Sutherland to UAE. RIP Movistar flat team :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 17.Aug 14:55, 2017
I see you mention my nick Logreid ..... I dont understand half of what you are writing as usal, but I think I am in the ball park of it when i understand it as i use "i got a life you don't " as some kind of weapon ... Thats wrong .... I am admittedly one of the least knowledgeable and updated of the active users in here, so it would be wierd if i shold compeat in that departement at all ....... It was just an apology for not picking up that infomation .... or an explaination or what ever ..... bad pick of words maybe ....a little affected by Nathans respons .... or something like that :)))

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 17.Aug 12:57, 2017
Jeez, that's really mediocre. Some decent leadout-men, but nothing to offer in other types of races. Can't see them getting any significant wildcards - behind the four teams who got Tour-wildcards this year.

A handful+ of riders leaving FDJ now and only Sinkeldam and Preidler plus likely Thomas in for now, expect to see them sign some good youngsters.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 17.Aug 12:42, 2017
New Pineau Team Roster (Get ready for a good laugh)

Coq, Morice, Bagot, Fournier, Manzin, Le Bon, Ermenault, Pacher, Lecrocq, Mottier, Boeckmans, De Backer, Van Genechten and Steven Lammertink. They will likely be adding Adrien Garel too.

Coquard wanted better than DE and i don't see how this is that much better

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 17.Aug 10:35, 2017
Plus goon needs to go hang with fellow "I have a life, you don't"-corner with Steinvik. It's always a winning argument when it turns out someone is more knowledgeable and/or more up to date than you.

I suggest we exclude him from any upcoming managers the next five days :D

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 17.Aug 10:33, 2017
Kittel to Katusha makes a lot of sense with Alpecin as co-sponsor, plus Quick Step bringing Gaviria through who looks like a much more versatile rider but with a top speed not far from Kittel's. Katusha still needs one-two world class leadout-men.

Great to see Cannondale retaining Uran and van Baarle. Less great to lose Bettiol who might prove to be one of next years signing in a few years, bags of potential. If nothing else, they've shed all of their Liquigas-riders.

Shame if Pozzovivo goes to UAE, Andy. He doesn't really domestique, as seen in last year's tour. If both Aru and Martin signs, he doesn't get Giro leadership - and he won't lead many one-week races either with Rui Costa there. Would much rather see him go to Bardiani to lead in a final few Giros and mentor Senni and Ciccone.

Biggest meh: Haas to Katusha. Like the rider, don't like the team.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 17.Aug 07:36, 2017
Even with a life it was a transfer hardly to miss.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 16.Aug 17:28, 2017
Oh ... ok didn't knew that .... I got a life you know :D

Nathan [CT Glory] Wednesday 16.Aug 16:54, 2017
Didn't see that coming? It was like unofficially announced a month ago.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 16.Aug 15:08, 2017
Wow ... Kittel to Katusha ..... didn't see that coming .... although, it sounds reasonable .. way better leadouts than Quick step has showen this season ....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 15.Aug 12:21, 2017
Read about Pozzovivo to UAE yesterday Mr.Domenico-lover, any comments on this?

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 12.Aug 09:38, 2017
About W52/FCPorto that's what we're expecting, Andy, me and a few more managers here. Plus many other FCPorto fans...:)
They have told that when they presented the project. They didn't talk when but have that in mind!

I'm sure they are ready to jump but not sure they will find the "way" to...
When I think that only the price of one or two football players were enough I get mad...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 11.Aug 14:38, 2017
Not really a transfer, but Axeon wants to go Pro Conti next year and still be a U23 team. Didn't expect that to come, but they probably had to do it to be able to race California, which are the biggest race for an American team. Any other teams going Pro Conti? Heard W52 maybe do it, but haven't seen it been confirmed yet.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 7.Aug 10:50, 2017
Eiking down a level to Wanty group .... Just when i was a little optimistic on his behalf and thought he was on his way to find a good spot on the highest level .... oh well, he should pick up some wins next year then :)))

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 4.Aug 06:03, 2017
LOL@ Assassin, although it does appear that way at times. This does not exactly help with their already well known issues in cross winds.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 3.Aug 23:13, 2017
Movistar's quest to rid their team of anyone who can pull on the flat and fill it up with climbing doms continues :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 3.Aug 21:58, 2017
Ah .... what a refreshment ..... almost not stereotype at all :D

PS. this was sarcasm as i'm sure all can understand :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 3.Aug 21:43, 2017
Rosón to Movistar is a nice signing for them. Another young Spanish climber joining the team.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 3.Aug 14:58, 2017
Manuel Senni to Bardiani. That's a surprise in my opinion

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 3.Aug 12:33, 2017
Kristoff to UAE (2 years contract).

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 3.Aug 11:48, 2017
Bettiol to BMC is a nice one, they lost the rockstar but got the better version of him with this deal. Wasn't Roelandts linked to BMC as well?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 3.Aug 11:40, 2017
Bettiol to BMC / Fraile to Astana / Nieve to Orica / Keukeleire to Lotto-Soudal / Roson to Movistar /Dlamini to Dimension Data

This morning has been active already

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 3.Aug 06:17, 2017
Tried to delete to repost, but it didn't want to so just adding info. Alaphilippe is staying at Quickstep.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 3.Aug 06:16, 2017
Logreid, well remember Movistar is known as a team of climbers and they seem to like that. However they did resign one of their other TT specialists, Oliveira (the Portuguese TTer). Movistar also announced their resigned two of their other Spanish domestiques.

I also saw that Quickstep announced that Alaphilippe has signed a 2 year contract.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 3.Aug 02:01, 2017
Tony Gallopin to AG2R

Nathan [CT Glory] Wednesday 2.Aug 12:00, 2017
And with him Amael Moinard.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 2.Aug 11:53, 2017
Barguil to Fortuneo

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Tuesday 1.Aug 23:29, 2017
Yes waiting for UAE to annouce Polanc's set of domestiques :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.Aug 21:25, 2017
He destroyed his Bora transfer with his haircut before the Tour. More seriously I think he stay with Cannondale (or whatever they are called next year).

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 1.Aug 21:23, 2017
Forgot Uran - hope he stays at Cannondale

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 1.Aug 21:21, 2017
The best announcement the last few days was Jungels to stay in Quick Step instead of going to Sky which one rumor said. Don't know if it's official, but Alaphilippe are also rumored to stay, so they keep their star riders, especially if Gaviria also stays, which I think he will.

Oss to Bora was a no-brainer, Sagan need competition on being the rock star on the team.

Waiting on UAE to use their money, going to have big budget next year, but not going to use their money just as good as Sky, that's for sure.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 1.Aug 21:18, 2017
I would guess most of you have been following the rumour mill the last few months like me. Some of the transfers which have been presented as virtually done have been presented today, should be a flurry of confirmations over the next few days.

Landa, Aru, Dan Martin, Kittel, Barguil, Meintjes and Kristoff among the biggest riders most likely to move, some with more set destinations than others.

Oss to Bora was expected but great business, BMC will need to replace him. Kennaugh is a bit meh, might do better than last few season but not a likeable character at all. A further hollowing out of the British element at Sky, expect them to throw money at the Yates-bros in a few years.

Have waited for Preidler to develop further for a few season now, but nothing more than a decent roleur which FDJ have a-plenty. Best thing is his thousand yard-stare when he'd close to breaking on climbs, polar opposite of Nairo.

Castroviejo to Sky males Movistar look even more lobsided with climbers. If they ever are to break Sky in the Tour they will need more strong roleurs to start shedding Froome's helpers earlier. Castroviejo to literally follow in Kiryienka's footsteps the last five years.

Don't know if they've been formally confirmed yet, but Orica doing great business with Trentin and Nieve

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 1.Aug 19:58, 2017
So in other words - its time to start setting up teams for 2018.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Tuesday 1.Aug 18:09, 2017
Well it's that time of the season again. Some interesting early moves with FDJ and Bora quite active already. Nice to see Eenkhoorn has found a home with BMC Devo team finishing.

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